IS the EPA wrong on emissions?

[give me vtec]

vtec - 'green revolution' ??? I run a two-stroke engine myself (a Mitsubishi TLE43.) I'm just a realist about what comes out of their tiny little exhaust pipes.

I specifically answered a couple of the OP's questions.

1. How a small engine that gets 150 MPG or better could produce more pollution (hydrocarbon/NO/CO) than a car, and
2. the misconception that pollution is only vapors.
3. I also pointed out that our small engines pump out much LESS CO2 than a car.

So tell me - how is that 'green revolution' stuff???

I'm not talking specifically about that one post... but if you really want to know, the bit about streams and runnoff is a little extreme.

this part is a little revolutionary...

"Any HC emissions which 'fall to the earth that it came from or ... pavement' end up sitting on top of these surfaces - it's not trapped deep within the earth, or bound within the asphalt. So, the first time it rains, that excess hydrocarbon gets carried into the rivers & lakes. (That's why road surfaces are so slippery when it rains after a long dry spell - the oils get lifted to the top of the water and make the surfaces slippery as they are being washed away.)"

What you said doesn't really have anything to do with exhaust emissions and air quality, and the language tends to be a little persuasive. Like you want us to fear for the lakes and streams, when in reality... agriculture and sewage are a far worse enemy.

I know what comes out the exhaust pipe, Im just saying that a lot of what you say comes off like greenpeace propaganda.

 

[loquin]

streams and runoff is 'extreme' ? If there is oil/oil residue on the road or on the ground, and it rains, what happens? Oil IS lighter than water, and it floats to the top. If you ever looked at water runoff from a highway, especially after it hasn't rained for a while, you can see a film on top of the water. Here in AZ, during a rain, the roads are literally like ice, until the oil washes away.

And, wherever the water goes, it carries that oil with it. Granted, there's not a lot from any particular section that you happen to look at, but, it adds up over the square miles of road surfaces...

That's not extreme. It's just what happens.

 

[give me vtec]

streams and runoff is 'extreme' ? If there is oil/oil residue on the road or on the ground, and it rains, what happens? Oil IS lighter than water, and it floats to the top. If you ever looked at water runoff from a highway, especially after it hasn't rained for a while, you can see a film on top of the water. Here in AZ, during a rain, the roads are literally like ice, until the oil washes away.

And, wherever the water goes, it carries that oil with it. Granted, there's not a lot from any particular section that you happen to look at, but, it adds up over the square miles of road surfaces...

That's not extreme. It's just what happens.

right... how many mb's ride in your area??? How often does it actually rain in Arizona??And how many lakes/streams/rivers are there for the runoff to go to???

Sounds like you are all wound up over nothing... in other words a bit extreme. The reason I bring it up is because

a)Why the h*** did we ever tie enviromentalism to mb's, and why is the green door in the general area where it can be subject to your censorship??? Shouldn't the "green door" go into the CC with the rest of the political discussions?? Shouldn't all "environmentally" based political discussions be transferred to the cc and be treated the same as religious discussions???

b)These kinds of conversations are detrimental to the overall quality of the experience here. The bickering can be seen by everybody... and last I checked... the green movement and its anti-job legislation is not very popular right now amongst the general consensus.

 

[whizzer48]

We just exchange idea here. I am like Ioquin just a realist about what comes out of their tiny little exhaust pipes. If they start selling fuel cell car mine tail pipe will have a little pail say water.
I grown up in So Calif 30 mile west of Riverside. Grandma live just up the freeway from you. So I know how smog react to me. I have remove mod VW engine put in stock just to get pass smog. Spend hours tuning the carb.
Why this thread went to way is the EPA was use. Calif is way head of the EPA. The thing about oil on the street I do live in Vegas. All the oil go in to Mead and AZ and Calif drinks it. Just go to White water and look at where the oil and smog go. Smog get blown to Az and the oil on the road get put in to Salt Sea. But your oil get put in to the ocean. I been going to Big Bear all mine life. I have seen far out to the sea many of day. When the first people came to So. Calif the idains call it valley of smoke. At one time they was thing make a whole in the mountain so the smog will go through.

I think mine whole thing I want a bike where I put put in water and water come out.

 

[motorpsycho]

Personally i'm tired of hearing about the emissions stuff, and being "green".
There are so many other issues in this world that people should be worried about.
i ride my 2 strokes (m.b. and dirt bike), i ride an old non emissions compliant 66 triumph bonneville 650, and i drive a 55 pontiac that has dual carbs on it, dual exhaust and no mufflers. talk to me about being green, and you'll get a face full of exhaust smoke.

 

[loquin]

vtec - I'm NOT 'wound up' over it. (though, apparently, you are) I just answered the OP's questions. Each 2 stroke MB (which meets CARBII emissions standards) including mine, adds the same emissions for HC as about 6-8 cars; each 4 stroke about the same as a car. It is what it is.

Believe it or not, there are washes and waterways here (and flash flooding when it rains) - and when it rains, the carp from the roads gets washed away, and it travels quite a distance down the stream beds.