P.i.n.o.

[safe]

P.I.N.O.

Pedals In Name Only

An acronym that would be used by Cyclists regarding motorized bikes that have so much horsepower in their motors that pedals become "faux pedals".

Usage:

"That motorized biker is a PINO."

(sorry guys, it was too good not to mention )

 

[SimpleSimon]

I prefer pfc - "pedals for cops".

 

[AussieSteve]

I agree with PFC, SimpleSimon, that's how I look at it.

Safe, what's 'so much power'?
During most rides on my electric I do no pedalling and it's all of 200W.
(Never pedal on the 2-stroke, but that's a different story.)

Guess I'm a PINO, twice over.

 

[Stan4d]

Lets all just be respectful of others and remember that it is a family friendly site.

 

[safe]

I will not repeat the meaning... but the pronunciation should be clarified:

Prounounced: "Pee No"

(there are other ways to pronounce it)

 

[AussieSteve]

safe, I think that you need to realise just when to let a dead horse rest in peace.

 

[safe]

Now hold on a second here.

This is about the difference in cultures between Cyclists and Motorized bikers. I find that I get snobbery from BOTH SIDES.

The Cyclists look down on people with motorized bikes because they don't respect people in poor health using the motor to get them around and think the whole idea violates the "pure" vision of a bicycle.

The Motorized Bikers look down on the Cyclists because they don't see the need for all that health driven mania and see it as another example of "political correctness" gone wild.

What I'm saying with the PINO acronym is that there is a middle ground meeting place that exists between the two extremes. The ideal motorized bike racing form would be some exact intersection of the pedal power of the bicycle and the motor power of the motors. Too much power in the motors and you have "Pedals In Name Only" (PINO - "Pee No") and have crossed over into the motorcycle category.

It's a legitimate acronym... it reflects the divide of the differing biking cultures.

One can be "pro motorized bike" and yet want the pedals to still matter.

 

[AussieSteve]

What I meant is that you're flogging a dead horse in that you have already got the point across. (I mean in both this thread and the 'Motorized Bike Racing In Arizona' thread.)

Out of interest, are Spooky Tooth supporting/sponsoring the 1000W electric race?

The Cyclists look down on people with motorized bikes because they don't respect people in poor health using the motor to get them around and think the whole idea violates the "pure" vision of a bicycle.

You're right about normal cyclists, I've struck that attitude a number of times, but I don't think their lack of respect is for people in 'poor health', in particular. In fact, if they knew that someone was riding an MB for health reasons, they'd probably be more tolerant.

 

[SimpleSimon]

To me, motored bikes are tools as well as toys. I absolutely would not be able to ride more than quite short distances on a pedal only driven trike, and cannot ride a bicycle at all anymore - muscle atrophy in my legs from severe diabetic neuropathy has left me with old man's "bird legs", but without the typical strength that such old men have.

I also see the best fit of these bikes as being "motor assisted", not as being "junior motorcycles". I have no use for lots of power, and feel quite strongly that speeds in excess of 30 mph on a bicycle are more than a bit foolish. Racing? Who needs it?

That's just my opinion, of course, and I realize many would disagree. To each his own, but when the "speed demons" build bikes that wildly violate the existing laws, I call foul - they are, by building and riding such, endangering this pastime for everyone in their selfishness.

 

[AussieSteve]

Yes, Simon, I agree 100%. I'm in the same boat, (emphysema).

I walked to and fro for shopping until it was impossible, then started using taxis, but found myself broke and almost housebound the rest of the time.

These bikes have given me basic transport again. No need to go too quick, and the more hoons there are out there the sooner we'll all be banned.

By the same token it's not so much the capability of the bike as how it is ridden.
With shift kit, mine could do 70kph+, but I don't. 6th gear just gives me an overdrive so that I can idle along at 40kph once I'm up to speed, instead of revving the $*@^ out of the engine.
Also, my accident a few months ago was due to high (standard) gearing on gravel. The shift kit allows me to idle along at below 5mph in first. If I had the shift-kit then, it wouldn't have happened.