NOS system Paintabll gun on a 2 stroke chinease motor

You are right, it will not in itself burn. It is an oxidizer. It works with the oxygen. You would have to use some kind of regulator. But, the chances are good you would blow your motor. Just guessing here.

Terry
 
Ok, well i wasn't planning on shooting 3000 psi into the combustion chamber. Thats not too bright. I was going to put a small nozzle that would restrict the flow of the 3000 psi into something manageable that would yield some power increase.

So for all of those bashing my idea:

How come people rig an Ultraflate kit which uses disposable high pressure co2 cartridges onto their pocket bikes and motor bikes burst it a couple time while doing top speed runs and have great results?

The only difference is that I am not using a Ultraflate that has been re-branded with a "NOS" or "BOOST" sticker which actually contains CO2.
I am using a canister capable of greater capacity and use between refills.

Why does the Ultraflate work and my idea won't work? :bowdown:

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO BELIEVE NITROUS IS FLAMMABLE TRY SPRAYING IT ONTO A OPEN FLAME AND WATCH IT GET EXTINGUISHED...NITROUS IS NON FLAMMABLE!

even if you use a small nozzle or jet, it will restrict the flow, but it will raise the pressure. Same as putting yout thumb over the end of a garden hose. Less flow, but higher pressure.
I messed with nitrous oxide for years on drag car engines, and i definitly know what i am talking about.
there is more to it than just shooting something into an engine to get more power. there are critical things that need to happen to make nitrous work.
the timing needs to be turned back a few degrees, you must run a colder spark plug, you must add a secondary fuel source (gasoline) everything must be ran through regulators (the secondary fuel source and the nitrous), the nitrous and the fuel need to flow through solenoids with specific jets to make sure that the fuel-nitrous mixture is not too lean, and the fuel pressure needs to be increased.
Co2 is NONFLAMMABLE like nitrous and it is used as a fire suppressant (such as fire suppressant systems in funny cars). Nitrous on the other hand is also nonflammable but it is a catylist. add nitrous to a fire and the fire will triple in size instantly because it is HELPING the oxygen burn the fire. a catylist is a "helper" in case you don't know what that means.
if C02 were good for combustion, do you really think that fire extinguishers and fire suppressant systems in race cars would use Co2?
Co2 displaces oxygen from a fire(it gets rid of oxygen) which makes the fire go out.
shoot Co2 into your cylinder, and all you will be doing is getting rid of all the oxygen in your air/fuel mixture and cylinder. you will be supressing the burn in the cylinder and filling it with non flammable gas that will kill the engine.
i understand that you are using Co2 gas rather than a Co2 powder like what's in a fire extingusher....but Co2 is Co2...it will do the exact same thing.

you go ahead and do whatever you're going to do, but i am telling you that it will not work.

your comment about the ultraflate kits is wrong.
what these guys are doing is getting the ultraflate kit, and replacing the Co2 cartridges with Nitrous filled cartridges that are used in the baking industry for whipped cream containers. the ultraflate kit (cartrige holder and trigger) is what you get when you buy a nitrous kit for a pocket bike or a m.b. off e-bay (or wherever).
they are just giving you nitrous filled cartridges rather than Co2 filled cartridges.
these nitrous cartridges are the same size as the Co2 cartridges so they fit right into the ultraflate holder/trigger.
 
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Ok I was mistaken, I thought these guys/gals were shooting co2 with their ultraflate kits.

You've done a good job of helping me understand how this all works! Thanks :cool:

I agree it won't work.




even if you use a small nozzle or jet, it will restrict the flow, but it will raise the pressure. Same as putting yout thumb over the end of a garden hose. Less flow, but higher pressure.
I messed with nitrous oxide for years on drag car engines, and i definitly know what i am talking about.
there is more to it than just shooting something into an engine to get more power. there are critical things that need to happen to make nitrous work.
the timing needs to be turned back a few degrees, you must run a colder spark plug, you must add a secondary fuel source (gasoline) everything must be ran through regulators (the secondary fuel source and the nitrous), the nitrous and the fuel need to flow through solenoids with specific jets to make sure that the fuel-nitrous mixture is not too lean, and the fuel pressure needs to be increased.
Co2 is NONFLAMMABLE like nitrous and it is used as a fire suppressant (such as fire suppressant systems in funny cars). Nitrous on the other hand is also nonflammable but it is a catylist. add nitrous to a fire and the fire will triple in size instantly because it is HELPING the oxygen burn the fire. a catylist is a "helper" in case you don't know what that means.
if C02 were good for combustion, do you really think that fire extinguishers and fire suppressant systems in race cars would use Co2?
Co2 displaces oxygen from a fire(it gets rid of oxygen) which makes the fire go out.
shoot Co2 into your cylinder, and all you will be doing is getting rid of all the oxygen in your air/fuel mixture and cylinder. you will be supressing the burn in the cylinder and filling it with non flammable gas that will kill the engine.
i understand that you are using Co2 gas rather than a Co2 powder like what's in a fire extingusher....but Co2 is Co2...it will do the exact same thing.

you go ahead and do whatever you're going to do, but i am telling you that it will not work.

your comment about the ultraflate kits is wrong.
what these guys are doing is getting the ultraflate kit, and replacing the Co2 cartridges with Nitrous filled cartridges that are used in the baking industry for whipped cream containers. the ultraflate kit (cartrige holder and trigger) is what you get when you buy a nitrous kit for a pocket bike or a m.b. off e-bay (or wherever).
they are just giving you nitrous filled cartridges rather than Co2 filled cartridges.
these nitrous cartridges are the same size as the Co2 cartridges so they fit right into the ultraflate holder/trigger.
 
Haha, man why would you shoot anything into the engine at high pressure?

MORE POWER :D

well technically you can shoot things into an engine under high pressure but it has to be controlled in some mannor.
a diesel engine injects the fuel into the cylinders at like 1700 psi, nitrous is injected into an engine at like 800 psi.
your every day car injects fuel into the cylinders at like 300 psi.
the object of injecting different things into a cylinder is to pack as much air/fuel into the cylinder to get more cylinder pressure, which makes more horsepower. it makes the air/fuel burn more efficiently for better fuel economy. think if you took a can of charcoal lighter fliud and just sprinkled a little on a fire. sure, the fire wold flare up, but it would be small flares and it would not last very long. now take that same can of lighter fluid, and squeeze it, shooting the fluid through a small hole (creating less flow, but more pressure) and the fire will erupt in a huge ball of flame.

when you add a turbo or a supercharger to an engine you are packing more air into the cylinder which allows you to add more fuel for a bigger explosion, which again makes more horsepower.
a top fuel dragster uses 5-8 gallons of nitromethane fuel to go 1/4 mile, and that's because it is designed to put as much air and fuel into the cylinders under high pressure as possible. again, the more fuel and air that you can pack into a cylinder, the more horsepower you can make.

i can understand what he is trying to do, but Co2 is not the way to do it, and 3000 psi is way too much for one of these small engines.
a turbo or a supercharger on a street car engine normally generates 7-10 psi of boost, and that is a HUGE amount of boost for a v-8.
a very serious drag engine (588 cubic inches or more) with a turbo or a supercharger may generate up to 50-60 psi of boost and that would disintegrate most engines.
he is talking about shooting 3000 psi of pressure into a tiny cylinder on a 2 stroke engine that is poorly made, and poorly designed (so to speak).
the engine would not make any more power...it will grenade itself instantly.
even if he did use nitrous oxide rather than his original idea of Co2. if he used a catylist such as nitrous at 3000 psi on one of these small engines, someone is going to get hurt by flying shrapnel. the substance that he would be injecting at this point would not even make a difference because the sheer pressure going into the cylinder would cause the engine to come apart in several tiny peices. the head studs that are used on these engines can literally be broken with arm strength....maybe 50-60 lb-feet of torque (if even that much).
I just don't want to see anyone get hurt thinking that they are going to make one of these engines make a bunch of horsepower by doing something like this.
 
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Yeap so i'm going to have to stick to my vette for my high octane fun. Ohh well thanks once again for the heads up. I dont need the little Chinese motor blowing between my legs at 40 mph.
 
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