so what you are saying is that you would rather risk getting caught trying to conceal the motor rather than just pay the fees to make it legal?
All I am trying to do is make the bike less noticeable of having a engine. I plan on riding this on the bike paths within the area I live, not the street. The paths are close to the street. If the cops see an engine, they will more than likely stop me. If they don't see it, they probably won't stop me. If they do stop me I can just play dumb, like you said. I would rather not hide it and be able to have a license for it. But, the problem here in France is they classify this bike as a moped 50cc or less, from what I have read online and require the bike to go through many tests to be approved to ride on/off road. To operate this thing legally this is what needs to be done:
Dear Pete,
First of all thank you for contacting Luxcontrol.
The idea to homologate this kind of motor vehicle is very interesting but in fact very difficult to accomplish.
Please find hereafter an exhaustive list of the several directives to fulfil if you want to homologate this motor vehicle:
95/1/EC Maximum torque and maximum net power of engine
97/24/EC (C7) Anti-tampering measures for mopeds and motorcycles
97/24/EC (C6) Fuel tank
95/1/EC Maximum design speed of vehicle
93/93/EEC Masses and dimensions
97/24/EC (C10) Trailer coupling devices
97/24/EC (C5) Anti-air pollution measures
97/24/EC (C1) Tyres
93/14/EEC Braking system
93/92/EEC Installation of lighting and light-signalling devices on the vehicle
97/24/EC (C2) Lighting and light-signalling devices
93/30/EEC Audible warning device
93/94/EC Position for the mounting of rear registration plate
97/24/EC (C8) Electromagnetic compatibility
97/24/EC (C9) Sound level and exhaust system
97/24/EC (C4) Rear-view mirror(s)
97/24/EC (C3) External projections
93/31/EEC Stand (except in the case of vehicles having three or more wheels)
93/33/EEC Devices to prevent unauthorised use of the vehicle
97/24/EC (12) Windows; windscreen wipers; windscreen washers; and so on
93/32/EEC Passenger hand-hold for two-wheel vehicles
97/24/EEC (C11) Anchorage points for safety belts and safety belts
2000/7/EC Speedometer
93/29/EEC Identification of controls, tell-tales and indicators
93/34/EEC Statutory inscriptions
Most of these tests have to be done in a laboratory e.g. pollution, Electromagnetic compatibility, fuel tank and maximum power of engine.
In parallel all the components like for example horn, lights, tyres, etc. need to be single type approved.
In addition to all the directives, you also need to be manufacturer of the vehicle and thus possess a World Manufacturer Code.
Please find hereafter the link to the European Commission for the automotive industry, in order to give you an overview of the several directives to fulfil to get a European homologation:
http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/automotive/documents/directives/motorbikes/index_en.htm
As you can imagine, this all has a cost and for this kind of vehicle you should spend about 12000.-€, if every test passes the first time.
For us, this make only make sense if you want to sell the motor vehicle.
Perhaps you can contact UTAC in France and they can make a single national approval for less money.
Remaining at your disposal for any further information
Best regards,
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Here is a message I received from Don Grubee about it:
Dear Armand;
Sorry; our engines have no "Certificate of Homologation". Homologation does not appear in my American dictionary. Maybe has to do with a complete vehicle or in your case > Moped? Since you were the Moped manufacture maybe you can make your own Certificate of Homologation. Sorry we cannot be of more help. We don't import to the EU countries because of the strange laws there.
Cheers from China;
Don and Angel
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So, this is why I am going through all of this. All I can say to the police if I get stop is, I built the bike and I am just testing it and its in the process of getting approved. Back in the States, Nevada, Illinois, Wisconsin. I had no problem at all riding a bike this. c'est la vie