"Petition" to Save USA's HT

[WhizBangAndy]

I sent a quick note to Don today after reading the petition.

Needless to say he is trying to address the emissions issue since it affects a majority of his operation especially since Canada has followed suit in the emissions requirements. He posted a quick FAQ on the emissions and links to the people directly handling it in the EPA.

I went down this road in NJ before and I gotta say its a LOOONG one..lol

 

[WhizBangAndy]

I should have mentioned his post was on grubeeinc dot com..lol

 

[V 35]

I'm confused, at first I thought Motor Bikes are ' Green ' Vehicles , immune to Federal Bullying. Now it seems, certain states are trying to cash in on fees, by requiring Powered Bicycles to be registered . Massachusetts has a Limited Use Number Plate,
I'm confused, do I need one ? If 2 strokes are outlawed, we're screwed . If a phase Out is planned, recently bought a couple Echo 2 Cycle Trimmers, [ for yard use ] just in case. Should I buy a few more Grubee's ? Or invest in a Four Stroke ?

 

[Richard H.]

I'm confused, at first I thought Motor Bikes are ' Green ' Vehicles , immune to Federal Bullying. Now it seems, certain states are trying to cash in on fees, by requiring Powered Bicycles to be registered . Massachusetts has a Limited Use Number Plate,
I'm confused, do I need one ? If 2 strokes are outlawed, we're screwed . If a phase Out is planned, recently bought a couple Echo 2 Cycle Trimmers, [ for yard use ] just in case. Should I buy a few more Grubee's ? Or invest in a Four Stroke ?

Not from there but maybe this will help:

Moped/motorized bicycle:

http://www.mass.gov/rmv/license/7moped.htm

Scooter/LUV

http://www.mass.gov/rmv/regs/luv.htm

 

[augidog]

this seems as good a place as any...i'll post the info but am more interested in hearing what others have to say than in commenting: i've had a look at a new "compliant" 66 and its labeling...it's labeled as an "off road MOTORCYCLE engine"...nothing about "motorized bicycle" at all...how are the 48's labeled?

 

[Stan4d]

My 09 48cc is labeld as off road use also. But says nothing about motorcycle. Here is a pic
Anyone with a newer motor?

 

[RedBaronX]

I'm confused, at first I thought Motor Bikes are ' Green ' Vehicles , immune to Federal Bullying.

HTs and MBs are "green" only in terms of MPG and maybe in terms of emissions per person per mile, but I bet if the actual emissions per mile, per gallon, per cc, per HP were measured, they would not be rated as very green at all.

If you were to translate the 2-stroke into an automobile, you get the East German Trabant, a vehicle that is not "green" by any stretch...

I would be interested in the emissions ratings of the Morinis as they are a higher quality 2 stroke than the China girls, but I don't know if that even makes a difference since they are all 2-strokes.

[EDIT to ADD] Electrics are green MBs, of course, since they themselves are zero emissions. They are as green (or not) as their electric source.

 

[motorpsycho]

Electrics are green MBs, of course, since they themselves are zero emissions. They are as green (or not) as their electric source.

I have to disagree with you on the electric bikes.
Sure, while they are being ridden there are 0 emissions.
but, take that electric bike and plug in the battery to be charged, and now you are creating a need for more electricity.
It takes coal to make electricity, coal makes a lot of pollution.

multiply this by however many electric bikes there are in the world and all these people plugging them in....they are just creating the demand for more electricity, which causes the power compaines to burn MORE coal.

I feel this way about electric cars too.
the more electric cars that are being plugged in, the more coal is being burned to make electricity to charge them.
it really makes no sense to me at all because all things electric are passed off as being green, but in reality they aren't.

I'm not a "green" person at all, but i just get tired of hearing about all of this "green" stuff because the reality is a lot different than what they are saying.

 

[Stan4d]

Electrics are green MBs, of course, since they themselves are zero emissions. They are as green (or not) as their electric source.

I have to disagree with you on the electric bikes.
Sure, while they are being ridden there are 0 emissions.
but, take that electric bike and plug in the battery to be charged, and now you are creating a need for more electricity.
It takes coal to make electricity, coal makes a lot of pollution.

psycho.......I do not see your disagreement.

 

[Fulltimer]

I sent off the email. A comment on "green": look at how much energy was used to make that new green car or whatever. You would cause less pollution by getting an older car that doesn't get as much mileage.

Terry