Honda GXH50 Warranty Scam

johncy7

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Don't expect help from Honda with your GXH50. It's a long story, but unless you want to take them to court, you'll probably be out of luck. This is a long story so I'm going to give the shortest version I can.

* bought GXH50
* engine died in 5 months
* authorized dealer (M&M) gave me a quote of $65 to replace stock unusable throttle assembly that I took off to put on a throttle lever
* told dealer forget it I'll take it elsewhere
* dealer charged me $25 for throttle quote (never got quote to fix what was broken. the engine)
* refused to pay for bogus quote and called the police to get engine back (success)
* took engine to dealer #2
* bought another GXH50 while waiting
* increased oil change cycle from 25 hours to 18 based on bad advice from dealer #1
* 5 months later engine #2 died
* now 5 months later engine #1 had not even been looked at by dealer #2
* still 5 months later engine #2 died in the same mysterous way engine #1 died
* took engine #2 to dealer #3
* dealer #3 said (without turning one screw) that I over reved the engine so it won't be covered by warranty
* dealer #3 also lied and said all Honda's are designed to run at 4500 rpm's or less.
* I showed dealer #3 that the GXH50 recommended rpm's is upwards to 7000 according to manual
* dealer #3 quickly changed his reason from "over reving" to my putting on a throttle that was unapproved by Honda (note: you cannot use the GXH50 without adding your own throttle)
* I called Roberts Supply (Honda's warranty company) and spoke with Larry
* Larry told me I over reved the engine without ever seeing it
* I asked Larry how many rpm's is the GXH50 at full throttle. He said he didn't know.
* I told Larry I used the engine for a motorized bicycle
* Larry told me if I say "motorized bicycle" he will hang up the phone on me (yes, this was weird)
* I told Larry that his dealer (M&M) has the worst reviews I've ever seen and told him to check for himself
* Larry told me he wouldn't do that to his dealers. (shows what he thinks of his customers)
* Larry had dealer #3 send engine #2 to him
* Larry told me it wouldn't be covered because I put a spring on the throttle assembly swing arm that caused the engine to over rev
* I explained to Larry that the spring pulls the throttle closed (NOT OPEN) to work with throttle lever on handle bar
* I called Honda who wanted to direct me back to Roberts Supply
* I argued my case with a Honda rep
* I was told that by putting on an unapproved throttle I voided the warranty
* I showed the Honda rep that their warranty stated that they are to give me a diagnosis of what caused the engine failure, not to exceed 30 days from the time brought in to the dealer
* Honda rep agreed
* Shortly thereafter I got a letter from Roberts Supply stating that my "engine" (singular) would not be covered under warranty. etc.. etc...
* Now nearing a year later. Engine #1 is still at dealer #2 and has not been looked at
* To this day engine #2 is with dealer #3 who forwarded to Roberts Supply who never opened it

Dealer #1: M & M Lawn Mowers (Tampa)
Dealer #2: Interbay Air Compressors (Tampa)
Dealer #3: Quality Power (Tampa)

I bought a Tanaka PF-4000 that I've been using for the past several months and I'm very impressed with it.
Still not sure if I will take Honda to court or not, but spending $700 in 5 months for engines that supposedly come with a 2 year warranty and never even getting a proper diagnosis so that I could understand what went wrong and correct it right away rather than wasting my money with Honda, is very irritating.

I ride my motor bike 800 plus miles a month and need it to be dependable. Honda, their GXH50 and Roberts Supply has let me down BIG time.

-John
 
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it is a well know fact that the lawyers for HONDA came up with this to protect HONDA from being SUED do to their motors being used on motorized bicycles. This is also the same HONDA that makes and sells motorcycles. Do you honestly think they would rather you spend $400 or $4000+ to buy a new one.
Admitting to use on a motorized bicycle is just plain stupid... its a GARDENTILLER..plain and simple
 
From the beginning, I called smallenginewarehouse and told their rep (Gary) I wanted to buy the GXH50 for my bicycle. His answer was "no problem, it comes with a 2 year warranty". Even Larry at Roberts Supply said putting it on a bicycle didn't void my warranty. But his telling me he'd hang up the phone for saying "motorized bicycle" was strange. Initially I thought he was saying it in a way like he wanted me to be quiet about it because it really wasn't allowed on a bicycle and his boss might be listening, and that he was going to pass it through for repairs. "don't say motorized bicycle [wink-wink]. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case.

Basically, I think they are putting a faulty/weak part inside the engine that goes bad in x number of revolutions no matter what, which they are trying to keep a secret by blaming everything else for their engine failure.

-John
 
No, they are not scamming you. The engine is made for use on lawn equipment. The throttle that comes on the equipment is designed to prevent revving past a certain point. They clearly said that putting an unapproved throttle on voids your warranty. If your warranty is voided and they know that, they're not going to look at it for free. But go ahead and take them to court. If you can afford a team of $1000/hr lawyers, you might win. Pigs might also fly this year.
 
Running an engine at or near the net 7000 rpms is going to slowly destroy an engine. If you removed the governor or modified the throttle then it's on you. We all accept this fact. If I tamper with my cars engine, I will definitely void the manufacture's warranty.

Your final gear ratio will have an impact on the engine and if you run the engine at full speed down a hill, your going to destroy your engine. Here's a quote from the EZ MotorBike Company on modifying the Honda or Hausheng:

"Just want to take a few minutes and try to discourage everyone from modifiying the HS or Honda motors. Both motors will self destruct if run above redline [7800 RPMs] for any extended period of time. Both motors will explode [rod will leave crankshaft] because they are tuned in such a way as to “not know when to quit”. Several companies found this out when they offered kits with ratios above 20 to 1 and of course many owners tried to reach 35 MPH and found the motor turning over 9,000 RPMs [can you say "BOOM"]." September 06, 2012.

3 engines - I would say you were something wasn't right with your gearing and/or you didn't have a tachometer to monitor the engines rpms. Many Honda engines have been used by members of this forum and the other forum with no reported problems.

Good Luck,

Chris
AKA: BigBlue
 
http://cdn.powerequipment.honda.com.../P-PWL50372-M.Eng.Dist.Ltd.Warranty.TO930.pdf

Exclusions:
This warranty does not extend
to accessories, parts, or apparel affected or damaged by collision, normal
wear, use in an application for which the product was not
designed, or any other misuse, neglect, incorporation or use of unsuitable attachments or parts, unauthorized alteration, improper installation, or any causes other than defects in material or workmanship of the product. Installing Parts and Accessories on non-Honda products or engines voids this warranty


Honda motors are NOT designed for motorized bicycle use by putting one on a motorized bicycle you VOIDED that warranty... plain and simple!!!
 
Thanks for the repsones. But when the Honda authorized dealer and the head of their warranty company say I can put it on a bike, Honda "should" honor that. Adding a throttle lever is certainly no major mod which must be done to this engine for use on a bike. That's why companies like Staton send the throttle cable/lever with the clutch I bought for it. When they failed to honor their agreement and properly diagnose it within 30 days so that I could buy a better engine, then Honda "should" honor that as well. I bought this engine so that I wouldn't go throgh the same disaster as I did with China/Grubee/gasbike.net.
Everything about the GXH50 is marketed and spec'd to be a high rpm engine.

Here's the current description at smallenginewarehouse:
"GXH50QXA 2.5hp Horizontal 5/8"x1-5/8" Keyed Shaft, Overhead Valve, LOS, 7000 RPM Honda Engine"
http://www.smallenginewarehouse.com/GXH50QXA.html

Here's their recommended rpm operating range. Well over 7000 rpms.
GXH50.jpg

Oh, and if anyone wants to buy my GXH50 clutch let me know.
 
3 engines - I would say you were something wasn't right with your gearing and/or you didn't have a tachometer to monitor the engines rpms. Many Honda engines have been used by members of this forum and the other forum with no reported problems.

It was 2 engines and 3 authorized service companies. The first engine went to two different companies. They all looked my engine(s) over first and then accepted it for warranty repair. Then began to lie/scam and try to charge me for doing nothing etc...
 
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