electric start "silver bullet train" engine

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Well, I got and tested one of those 70cc Zelda's, I just paid the shipping for one direct from the China factory.
I put it on a Micagri Pantera bike.
Topic about my experience with it is here http://kcsbikes.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=948

Cool having 2-stroke generated electric power and electric start, and the engine seemed strong and has good mounts, 2 front and rear, but a real disappointment in real life regular use, and not the least bit friendly to wire up.

Mine sits at my helpers house unable to be started to get it back here.

I'm just saying take the kit with a grain of salt is all, it's just not as cool as it sounds.
Speaking of which, I have been friends with Don Grube (Grubbee, Skyhawk brands) for years.
Very helpful for getting innovation actually manufactured, but in China knock-off's of quality is their main business.

I asked Don about them, this is his E-response verbatim...

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KC;


Thanks for the heads up: Yes; We do keep up with competition; In fact competition copies what we do. I may be up in years but I'm still kicking!


Jack Chen owns or operates JL-ZEDA and CDH China Dolphin Harbor He claims to only own JL ZEDA but both are in Jilin City China. He is a 2 faced snake! Jack is his fake name; He's a Cheater and CopyCat and that makes him a low life SOB.


I think he started ZEDA so if sued he wont' take CDH down. He's smuggling 2 stroke engines into the US without EPA certification and that is totally illegal!. Has help from our corupt gov. officials and US Customs and probably help from the China gov. too. Claims to have warehouses in the USA. ZEDA buys my frame design that I spent years and money in developing. The Tianjin frame factory promised to not sell to anybody else but turned out to be 2 faced liers in the end. In China; money talks and bull s**t walks; I tried to tell my wife we needed a legal contract drawn up but she wouldn't listen to me. Now she's sorry becuase it was her money we used!


ZEDA electric start 2 cycle engine with 12v gen is a pile of s**t! Too heavy, Too complicated & Too costly at 300 smackers. It defeats the purpose of having a light weight motorized bicycle in the first place.


They should have developed a 4 stroke version but had a 2 stroke modified instead.. His s**t is not selling well. Only Jack Lin at Bike Berry has any in stock and he is discounting them to move them out. I see you suckered in.

BirdDog got a free one to look at and they say it's a joke: Not sure if AssBike is selling them or not as I do not see them on their web site last time I checked? MZ Parts in Florida says it is a pile of s**t too. Did Zeda send you a free one? I think you are way too smart to spend hard earned money to buy one.


Our new Cordless 20v impact wrench easy-start 2 stroke EPA certified GT5A-ES engine will lead the news. We have a container load of these in Dallas right now heading on up to Durant. Price is only 5 bucks more than a standard 2 stroke engine. Retail Price is $115.00 less carb,cdi & muff. It's available with a CAD/CAM designed and CNC machined HP head and double fire high engery CDI. It may look like it but we are not standing still.

Nov 1st we will be opening our own USA warehouse and I'm going to be working there myself. Not returning to China. My wife's brother will take care of the China side,. My son Jimmy did not pan out and went his own way! We will have a web site like all the other guys so customers can click "add to cart". We will have retail and wholesale pricing. Watch our Okie smoke!


Happy Trails

Don
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There is no such thing as 'too much' information about anything in life, like the cancer doctor that read my PET scan results the other day, my cancer has not spread, it's all above my neck!.

Don has spent his life trying to make the best stuff he can in China.
His designs, and even mine, but that news is for another topic.

That's about all I have to say about this topic, hope it helps.
 
oh it does indeed! also incase you wanted to start that bugger, tell me if this is the same starter, it looks damn near identical to me.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/90cc-110cc-...ash=item35e6078648:g:JkIAAOSwe-FU8Wzz&vxp=mtr

and to Frankenstein, my case in point. 300$ gamble. if i wouldve bought that it would be a 300 dollar doorstop in no time. im only replacing the electric starter and pull start so many times.
 
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oh it does indeed! also incase you wanted to start that bugger, tell me if this is the same starter, it looks damn near identical to me.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/90cc-110cc-...ash=item35e6078648:g:JkIAAOSwe-FU8Wzz&vxp=mtr

and to Frankenstein, my case in point. 300$ gamble. if i wouldve bought that it would be a 300 dollar doorstop in no time. im only replacing the electric starter and pull start so many times.
That is almost undoubtedly the same exact starter, nice backsearch, bet it took a while to find it. Only thing is it's probably got a form of a gear instead a sprocket.

Sad to see it's got such a negative rep in such a small time. I can't shake this feeling though that it will take off. Honestly look at the problems that the original engines suffered. They were some of the most cheap unreliable pieces of scrap aluminum one could find. We started upgrading all sorts of parts, then the upgrades became standard in even the worst kits nowadays.

It's a needed change, and while the wiring may suck, it's also part of the system, you add 4 more electrical components and you will get at least a few more wires. You add more crap like a starter, and a pull start, and an electrical box, and a centrifugal clutch, and a lead battery... Well you get the picture, you'll have more weight. You try something new, you'll get bugs. I can't say how much it actually sucks because I don't own one or even saw one, but it should be agreed that Android 1.1 sucked pretty bad, so did the first computer, first iPhone, first vehicles didn't even have differentials even though the design for one existed for nearly 2 millennia..

So while it sucks to our rather refined version of a bicyle motor, it will end up being improved, and fixed, and worked over till it has a decent level of reliability as our known motors.

How many new engine designs even came out over the years that competed with the standard anyways?
 
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That is almost undoubtedly the same exact starter, nice backsearch, bet it took a while to find it. Only thing is it's probably got a form of a gear instead a sprocket.

Sad to see it's got such a negative rep in such a small time. I can't shake this feeling though that it will take off. Honestly look at the problems that the original engines suffered. They were some of the most cheap unreliable pieces of scrap aluminum one could find. We started upgrading all sorts of parts, then the upgrades became standard in even the worst kits nowadays.

It's a needed change, and while the wiring may suck, it's also part of the system, you add 4 more electrical components and you will get at least a few more wires. You add more crap like a starter, and a pull start, and an electrical box, and a centrifugal clutch, and a lead battery... Well you get the picture, you'll have more weight. You try something new, you'll get bugs. I can't say how much it actually sucks because I don't own one or even saw one, but it should be agreed that Android 1.1 sucked pretty bad, so did the first computer, first iPhone, first vehicles didn't even have differentials even though the design for one existed for nearly 2 millennia..

So while it sucks to our rather refined version of a bicyle motor, it will end up being improved, and fixed, and worked over till it has a decent level of reliability as our known motors.

How many new engine designs even came out over the years that competed with the standard anyways?
Im goin to hav to agree with u on this one. Even though this engine sukcks right now, it just came out. So wen something new comes out, doesnt matter wat it is, most of the time its going to suck ass. Of course theres no parts available for it right now, its brand new. Of course s**ts goin to brake on it, its brand new. U cant jugde a book by its cover if the first page is still being written. Give it a while. People r goin to buy the engine kit and brake it. Improvments will b made and parts will start to b available for shortly after. Wen i first bought my bicycle engine i couldnt find parts anywhere for in aftermark anything. Now theres everything under the sun for them. And as far as a light kit the is and AUX wire in the electrical box that comes with it, that u can run a full light kit off of the engine kit. It even has and on off for it all. If everyone would give it time the better models will come

That what i have to say i think it has a lot of room to grow. I wont buy one now. But mayb i a year i will
 
that cool and all, but the company making it is just copying the design from grubee and making it bigger with excessive stuff. and probably going to get shut down for illegal activity, effectively making the engines disappear with only 300 in the states. i could just cut a hole in the case somewhere in the center, and make a drill bit that fit on the crank shaft, then just carried a 20v electric drill. more reliable. electric start. parts availability. and welcome to the forum ricky i see you just joined yesterday.
 
that cool and all, but the company making it is just copying the design from grubee and making it bigger with excessive stuff.
That's not entirely correct...
They didn't copy the engine design, heck the head and cylinder are one unit for example, but the factory that builds his frames that were forbidden to sell them to anyone else, did anyway.

Though the Zelda has 2 front mounts, the frame only has one set of holes.
I suppose that could come in handy but I can't see how when you have a dedicated engine/frame mount system.
 
that cool and all, but the company making it is just copying the design from grubee and making it bigger with excessive stuff. and probably going to get shut down for illegal activity, effectively making the engines disappear with only 300 in the states. i could just cut a hole in the case somewhere in the center, and make a drill bit that fit on the crank shaft, then just carried a 20v electric drill. more reliable. electric start. parts availability. and welcome to the forum ricky i see you just joined yesterday.
The only thing that i see that is a copy form the original engine. Is the carb and part of the exhaust. Everything else is all diffrent so he didnt copy grubee at all realy. But he did copy the idea of having a 2 stroke bicycle engine. So realy he isnt doin anything illegal, hes just making something new

And thanx for welcoming me. I feels grate to b apart of a group that shares the same hobbies as i do
 
it is a new design, and it is kinda cool, but my question is if it complies with the weight limits on these engines, i know that the grubee site specificly says "total vehicle dry weight cannot exceed 20KG or 44lbs" and that leaves a total of 9.5 kg for your bike. or 20 lb ish. so add all the weight of the new engine and your bike may no longer comply with the law technicly. and also its not epa certified at all. so yea. i mean, if its not legally supposed to be here, the likelyhood of parts availibility seems low. i mean, if i see parts for it on ebay becoming popular than i might go for it, but thats only if everything is available. if i cant fix it, i dont want it. otherwise its a paperweight. thus far weve found the electric starter, maybe. but other than that, its all a mystery. like i said, its a gamble. id rather save up money and get a motoped. ya its way more expensive, but its also legal, easy to work on, and has parts available. if i want electric start ill go with that. i mean, i bought an engine kit on ebay that cost total, under 100$, and it works fine. if im gonna go for something expensive then im all in no matter what, i may as well go big or go home.
 
by engine kit i mean the base kit itself, to clarify. gas tank engine throttle and whatnot. not the after-market improvements and repairs.
 
The only thing that i see that is a copy form the original engine. Is the carb and part of the exhaust. Everything else is all diffrent so he didnt copy grubee at all realy. But he did copy the idea of having a 2 stroke bicycle engine. So realy he isnt doin anything illegal, hes just making something new

And thanx for welcoming me. I feels grate to b apart of a group that shares the same hobbies as i do
Well the illegal part is selling a bicycle frame design he didn't own, however from what I understand there wasn't a contract or even a patent. If there was a patent in his name in both the USA and China, then he'd have an object of legal leverage.

The other illegal thing is importing engines into the USA without epa certification. But.... Well let's see, if you want to use it on the roads or in the country of California off road or sell in the country of California, you'll need epa certs. Otherwise it's as unregulated as toilet paper, oh wait toilet paper is regulated more.

Also you (not the repliee if this post but the one who hopes they get shut down) are trying to get a foreign company in China of all places (they wouldn't deport a Chinese national if he blew up the white house, shot the president and his wife, and stabbed 100 people to death after setting 30 orphanages on fire, they just don't care about foreign policies or laws, and definitely not about epa requirements) shut down from American soil. It just won't happen.

The carb isn't even a copy, it's just using what's available, since there are a billion walbro clones and just as many mufflers laying around, and no need to redesign them, it only makes sense to use them.

So just hang on and let time take its course, you'll see. I'm still waiting for my Flux capacitor upgrade with a cold fusion power core...
 
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