Stuffed HT case impression

Steve Best

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So this is going to be an impression, not an accurate test because I stuffed these a month or more ago and got busy. Didn't write down any data about this engine. I'll never make it as a scientist.

It is my old black unknown 66cc Happy Time China Girl. My first engine.
I bought the entire bike and engine for a song but it worked well enough to get me hooked.
I cannot remember what the top speed was but I improved it a bit with a head mod, new muffler and cleaning the flashing out of the transfer ports. No porting, no timing changes, maybe a little more compression.

I stuffed the bearing retainers and spread 1-2mm of JB weld over the entire sides of the cases much like this:
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I also filled in the through under the transfer ports where it went below the crank cheeks, as shown in solid red. I drilled an oil flow port to the bearings on each side, because I could see the oil had been baking in there. No pictures I am afraid, lost my darned camera again... (old guy, losing it!) New seals and bearings while I was in there.

So not a huge gain. Nothing in top speed, in fact I think I might have lost a bit. I showed 45kph and I am sure I broke 50 kph before this mod, but cannot be sure. Where it gained is rock steady idle and lots of low end torque. It would now do the steep hillclimb with only a bit of assistance now (this is not the modified Grubee, which will climb with no assistance). Previously it would not climb the hill even if assisted. Throttle response is crisper. Powerband is much lower rpm than it had been originally. I'm surprised.

Steve
 
great info! did you have any luck fitting the minireli (sorry cant spell) jug? I am curious because i have tried using hocca's 47mm slug and it works but I ran a flex hone through the cylinder to let the new rings seat properly and then it wore through the chrome in no time. so if their cylinder could also be used that would be awesome I cant afford to replate jugs.
 
that is weird because usually increasing crank pressure improves power at a higher RPM range.
 
that is weird because usually increasing crank pressure improves power at a higher RPM range.

I know, I was a bit surprised too, but then I thought back to good old Gord Jennings, and read up a little on page 95-96:
http://www.amrca.com/tech/tuners.pdf

I think SR has it pegged:
While it does raise the tuned rpm (which is a resonant effect like more water in a bottle you blow a tune over) it loses overall capacity for resonant storage. The note goes up but the decibel volume goes down as you decrease case volume. "for reductions in crankcase compression ratio cause an equal reduction in the amplitude of wave activity in the intake tract, which in turn reduces the ramming pressures available to charge the crankcase."

Old Gord is da'bomb isn't he? 40 years ago he had so much of it figured out. Just amazing.

This worked for me years ago with an old CR250, and with my son's Yamaha Blaster, but I'm guessing it just has to do with how close to that ideal 1.5:1 compression ratio you are, and really, I over did it. I really stuffed a lot of epoxy to this baby. Man, it starts and idles WONDERFULLY. Rock steady. Much more power in the mid-range. Snappy crisp throttle. No rev.

So how am I gonna make power out of this thing now?
There is $22 of epoxy in this baby!

I say I carry on with port mods that I know have worked on previous cylinders?
This cylinder ports start out much worse than the Grubee cylinders. It is 30mm intake studs and tiny port.
I'm thinking I try to optimize the intake and exhaust windows, see what that does, and maybe match transfer ports to case? After all, it will only increase case volume now...

Still tinkering with the Minarelli, waiting for wristpin bearings and a pipe to arrive.
 
Do the transfer ports on the minarelli match up to seal on the chinese case? Can't wait to see the outcome on this one.
 
Do the transfer ports on the minarelli match up to seal on the chinese case? Can't wait to see the outcome on this one.

No they don't. Minarelli is much larger square twin transfers compared to the HT small triangle.
The Minarelli also has a boost port on the intake side. I made a 1/4" aluminum spacer to adapt them.
I am kinda excited to try them before the snow comes. I really need a pipe to make it work.
Engine has been mocked up for a while now, ready to go. Waiting...

maybe a slight increase of intake duration would help.

Good point, how to do it so I can back up if it doesn't work? Cut piston skirt? I have spares.
 
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