2 Stroke and 4 Stroke information for all

[Mossy]

Only the unleaded is at the pump

 

[DAMIEN1307]

Only the unleaded is at the pump

But you had just said,

Available at VP stations at the pump

So you can see where that might be confusing as we were talking about availability of LEADED gas at the pump being illegal...lol.

 

[Deleted member 33472]

Naa...That was from sniffing the model glue...lol...Those were the days...lol.

That's what I was saying just in a roundabout way

 

[Deleted member 33472]

Available at VP stations at the pump

Theres a place around the corner that sells racing fuel.it is not a gas station.it is a place you can go get propane and other fuels.

 

[Deleted member 33472]

Sunoco 110 octane is $9.00/gallon here. Which is not bad considering our watered down unleaded fuel in this country is $4.00/gallon.

$4.00 a gallon? Where? It's over $6.00 a gallon here. And that is ridiculous

 

[Deleted member 33472]

Where Does Gasoline Come From

Gasoline was discovered nearly 160 years ago as a byproduct of refining crude oil to make kerosene for lighting. There was no use for gasoline at the time, so it was burned at the refinery, converted to a gaseous fuel for gas lights, or simply discarded.

www.aaa.com

"Gasoline was discovered nearly 160 years ago as a byproduct of refining crude oil to make kerosene for lighting. There was no use for gasoline at the time, so it was burned at the refinery, converted to a gaseous fuel for gas lights, or simply discarded. About 125 years ago, in the early 1890s, automobile inventors began to realize that gasoline had value as a motor fuel. In 1911, gasoline outsold kerosene for the first time. And, by 1920, there were about nine million gasoline-powered vehicles in the United States, and gas stations were opening across the country to fuel the growing number of cars and trucks."

That's right. It used to be dumped into rivers. Rockefeller was losing his grip on the kerosene market due to places being lit up using electricity. Once the combustible engine was developed he started marketing that by product to run those engines. Much like diesel..it was a by product of refining gasoline that used to be disposed of.now it costs as much as gas.

 

[Deleted member 33472]

Now after much delay and reasons not to, electric cars that were developed in the early 1900s are now in production. It took that long for the oil companies to milk people for money and technology to catch up. Then they delayed production so they had time to figure out how they could capitalized on that technology and continue fleecing people of thier money. But that wasn't hard to do since those were the only people who were able to invest in creating places to recharge your cars. This they were free to be able to set tjoer own prices. I predict in the future just as they do with gas today, they will continue to raise the cost to recharge your car using the same excuses they do today.
Out here they say we pay higher prices because it's refined differently. My question is are they saying that 89 octane in california is different than 89 octane is say was in kansas? Or texas? And if that be the case are people that live in california decide to move to another state and take thier car damaging it using gas from another state? Since they don't put any label warning against fueling up in other states it seems to me just an excuse to charge more in a state where people make more on thier paychecks. To me it seems that the price they charge us related to how much people make. Otherwise the price of gas would be consistent from state to state. They also claim that production costs more. Since the gas companies are no longer able to make new refineries unless they pay absorbetant amounts they just use existing ones. I understand upkeep on using existing machinery. But that is the price of doing business. And the price of doing business is taken out of profits. So if what they say we're true the only way they can post billions of dollars in a quarter to thier stockholders is to put that money into upkeep. And if they are and are still posting billions of dollars I n a quarter then they are definitely fleecing people. But going back to the different prices. Since they don't post warnings on gas pumps warning about filling up a car from out if state and/or any kind of warning against this from car manufacturers it seems that the excuse for charging close to $2.00 a gallon more for gas in california is just an excuse and a way to make people pay more of thier paychecks. If they are making money when they charge $2.00 a gallon like they did here about 3 years ago then you know they are making money at $7.00 a gallon with 90 percent of that being an over charge.

 

[Deleted member 33472]

If it is available via using an gasoline pump and nozzle at a gas station, its totally illegal then by Federal statute...It can only be available by sealed jug, can, etc. mostly for either farm or racing use only...leaded gas is not allowed to be in underground storage tanks due to leakage that can happen etc.

Even though you can buy racing fuel I don't know what the effects would be if it were used in the engines we put on bikes if used consistently. It may be that it burns hotter and could problems if used over an extended period of time, I don't know. Or in 2 strokes, they recommend adding so much oil to fuel that is usually based on a person using gas that is widely used. Whether that ratio is the same using racing fuel again I don't know. If I were using racing fuel in either a 2 stroke or a 4 stroke engine on my bike and was going to use it in it consistently these are things I would look into to make sure I didn't accidently cause any failures in the engine.

 

[Mossy]

Even though you can buy racing fuel I don't know what the effects would be if it were used in the engines we put on bikes if used consistently. It may be that it burns hotter and could problems if used over an extended period of time, I don't know. Or in 2 strokes, they recommend adding so much oil to fuel that is usually based on a person using gas that is widely used. Whether that ratio is the same using racing fuel again I don't know. If I were using racing fuel in either a 2 stroke or a 4 stroke engine on my bike and was going to use it in it consistently these are things I would look into to make sure I didn't accidently cause any failures in the engine.

100 octane leaded or unleashed was use for decades on 2cycles last place available was marinas for outboard motors... It eliminates predetonation runs cooler and you use more of it...

 

[Mossy]

The big advantage in a 5gal can is stability especially if you can get a reliable source... Even if you used a mix of race gas it would be better than the pump gas... And last years in it's unopened can... Opened it lasts longer and it doesn't swell up a plastic jug like the pump lower boiling point so it doesn't vaporize classic car guys like not getting vapor lock and long storage times... The biggest market for it...