$1600 Harley-style bobbers

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DougC

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Not a motor-bicycle at all, but anyway:
A lot of people (me included) have pondered using heavier-duty gear for construction. This site seems to be making 110cc motorcycles using the imported 3/4-scale mini-motorcycle parts, and frames made domestically.

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http://www.oldschoolhardknock.com/

The website says the frames have VINs and you can get a certificate of origin (which you need to obtain a title and register it) but they also say/warn that it is titleable "in most states", so you may not want to give them your CC# without verifying you can make it legal first.

The engine size is under 150cc's which would normally qualify as a scooter, but it uses a manual shift which I believe (in Illinois) graduates it into motorcycle classification--the "scooter" classification is reserved for auto-shifting two-wheel bikes under 150cc's.
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iRide Customs

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I don't think these are licenseable. Sure you might be able to "title" them but they're not EPA certified so they would not be street legal.
 
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DougC

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It says on there somewhere that these are kits, not ready-built.

Apparently--if the engine is already certified, then the motorcycle doesn't need to be separately, you just can't do anything to raise the emissions.

It'll be interesting to see if any companies will get smaller Chinese motorcycle/scooter engines certified. Harley's got nuthin' there and the Japanese stuff costs too much. :/
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MotorbikeMike

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Hard Knock Bobbers

Hi those are very cool bikes, I've seen one live. BUT they are NOT carb engines, and Cannot be licensed in CA.

Very cool lil bikes, but, not legal here, and the ones I've heard of that are licensed, they were illegally done.

If they were legal, I would put one in with the new 125cc 4-speed, and I would sell them too!

Mike
 
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WIZARDOFOZONE

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See, now I know this is probably 'just me', but a bike like this and I guess the whizzer as well just plain confuse me ... my bicycle is a happytime toy plain and simple. When I want to get serious my full dresser 1600 Nomad rolls out of the garage ... If I had fewer bucks to spend than a $1500 True 450cc Yamaha or similar motorcycle (Fully Legel) would be rolling out of that same garage. I mean who for example would buy a $2000 SIMULATION of say ,,, a Volkswagon, when you could just buy a used volkswagon ,and a REAL one ? These Bobbers in my mind make a person look like they are some kinda of 'wannabe' person ... To me, if you're going to pay full price for a bobber or especially a Whizzer, why wouldn't you lay out the exact same dollar amount and buy a 250 to 650cc used motorcycle ? am I missing something here ? I've read wht the mechanical aptitudes and artistic skills are in here and I would bet at least 70% of us in here could purchase a 450cc used Yamaha for $1600 or less and have it looking equal or better than that 'Bobber' within 4 days not to mention full legality in every state and 450ccs to boot.

I'm starting to think that the allure of these same price mini vehicles is to allay needless fears people have about getting thier motorcycle licence. They always show adults in thier 20's or older astride these vehicles but I think the marketing idea is to the 15 year old or people without licences ... but ,as in the Whizzer's case you need just the same licencing as an MC anyway ... and none of this logic even begins to mention what you can have in a HUGE motorSCOOTER like the 500cc Aprilia Atlantic full dressed touring bike I traded in for my new Vulcan 1600. As Spock might say ... "Totally Illogical Captain...."
 
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DougC

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I would bet that the invasion of Chinese-engined motorcycles has only just begun. This particular example has licensing issues, due to the engine not being EPA approved--but sooner or later they will be, and after that happens they will flood the US market.

Twenty-five years from now it's going to be easy to find lots of new Chinese-made cycles on US roads, and it's going to be rare to see any new Japanese, European or Harley.
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WIZARDOFOZONE

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I agree, and it's because these Chinese motors aren't pretending to be anything other than what they are ... for a paltry $230 I kind of like to be pointed at,smiled at, and hear things like "oh how original !" or How different !" .... but at $1500 and up like the Bobber or Whizzer prices are, I'd rather just have them say ... "Oh!, there goes a motorcycle" ,,, and have them be exactly accurate in that statement ! ... On re-reading your post I see now that you weren't referring to the happy time type bicycle motors but to some form of legelized Bobber type or Whizzer ... if that's what you meant I'll change my comment to add that "yes, I again agree" ...but they won't succeed if the selling price only gives you something about 3 clicks below a real factory 200 to 500 cc used motorcycle or 120 cc New motorScooter (already available at prices around $1300)
 
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Sianelle

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They are good looking bikes alright. I had a 110cc Chinese made 'Fatboy' for a while that I'd purchased 2nd hand in much neglected condition. There was a lot about its design and mechanics that were just plain awful so I removed the engine and wheels and sold the rest off. One day when I'm in the mood I'll build a decent chopper around these parts.
 
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MotorbikeMike

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WHizzer Licensing

Wizard, the Whizzer in CA is a MOPED, NO insurance, 18.00 one-time plate (no stickers) supposed to have M2 in your pocket, tho many have no plate, and no DL.

When and why is that the same as motorcycle?

Please know, that the whizzer is rated 120MPG 30MPH and MOPED all the way.

My 90cc honda (1972ct90) is a completely different animal at the finantial responsability level than my Model 09 Racer.

Mike
 
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WIZARDOFOZONE

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If the Whizzer doesn't require all of the mandatory neccessitys as a small motorcycle, than of course my points in the post above are not applicable and do not apply and then ,,, yes indeed ... I could then certainly see why paying the same price for a Whizzer instead of a small regular motorcycle would be logical. My point was only about small motorcycle-like vehicles that cost the same or often more than a small fully street functional motorcycle or motorscooter ... However, in any State where the Whizzer would need full documentation, licencing,registration, financial responsibility exactly as any motorcycle , I simply meant in that case it confuses me why I would buy a Whizzer over a small cycle or scooter. I agree it's an advantage and a good reason to buy Bobbers or Whizzers or Scooters when the particular State is releasing you from all the responsibilitys needed to operate motorcycles and motor scooters ... What however, is the status of the original post , the 'Bobber ?" I don't think that one will get away with being a Moped, and looks for all the world like it will be treated as a cycle needing all the same paperwork as a mcycle I would think ... so that bobber probably applies to my point moreso than the whizzer .... I would spend $1600 and with a simple dupe job have a 400 to 650cc 'Bobber' or in fact, the basic Bobber doesn't even inspire me to need to dupe anything, although the challange of duping the green swooped version they show in the picswould be fun to mimic. I bet that one isn't $1600 !
 
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