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An Inconvenient Truth

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locoWelder

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Is this film going to change anything? Who suddenly jumped up from that movie and decided, as of now the TV will be unplugged whenever not in use, or walk that mile to work, or exchange their cheap light bulbs for energy efficient ones, and of course get put on the waiting list to buy that expensive hybrid car that ?

I do all these things and more, I'm not perfect but I rather not waste when I don't have to. However, I have to tell you, not to be a cycnic but until something happens I think we can take those "startling" statistics and wait until we can say I told you so. If we really want to see change it is not going to be because of a movie starring Al Gore.

I will tell you when people will change their comfy lives, when someone does it for them. That means no choices in the matter, kind of like smoking, smoking indoors has become noexistent because of the. Like smoking, gas powered cars will become taboo and repercussions will go along with if one gets caught driving one. Basically all I am saying, is iif the American public is told what to do, they will do it. For example, only having a market of energy efficient appliances, people will still buy appliances because those are their only options.

If we already have the means to fix our CO2 problem, then lets get rid of the "bad" choices and only leave them with the "good" choices, that is what it will take the for the Mcdonald eating, SUV driving world to change. Or some glacier that melts putting New York under 20ft of water.
 
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sideshowsideswipe

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not only do the alternatives have to work, but they have to appear so cool, so desirable that people will CRAVE them & KILL for them. sad to say, but nobody makes a change unless they find it at least somewhat appealing.


my boss is a 2006 harley roadster owner. Today he took a spin on my MB and now he wants me to help him put one together! he noticed the smiles from passers by and the thrill of the pull of the engine.
 

Tom

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As energy/gas/water prices start going up, people will find it more and more worthwhile to buy more efficient products.

Energy prices will go up not only because of supply/demand (decreasing supply), but also because of government taxes.

Look at gasoline prices... I am personally using less gas because of the price is just too high.

Maybe it won't be worth it to walk that extra mile to work when gas is $3/gal, but will it be worth it when gas is $5/gal? $10? $20? Everyone will get to a point where alternative transportation/energy will be more cost-effective.
 
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crgintx

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Global warming is a crock

At least that's my belief as to the human contribution but the other effects of pollution are far more immediate in that we're poisoning our air and water. The thing that get's me is why are we having to buy affordable small engines and electric motors made in China when the power elites could easily have setup a factory in Mexico and employed a few of illegal immigrant workers now in the US with a decent wage in their own country?

Speaking of China, why are they leapfrogging ahead of the US in both fuel efficiency and e-bike technology? Sometimes I really wonder how the hell we let ourselves get into a situation where we've spent $1.5 trillion defending foreign oil fields since 1990 and less than $15 billion on real energy research during that same time frame? It makes my head hurt.
 
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sideshowsideswipe

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Part of the problem here in the US is that we have powerful lobbying groups that push (read 'pay') our elected officials to vote for laws that keep their interests alive. i.e. voting down legislation that calls for change, voting for legislation that enables corporations to pollute, ship jobs overseas and generally run roughshod over the people of the US.

I want to make a music video called "This is America" with a non-stop barrage of 'made in china' stickers running accross a supermarket conveyor belt and then cut to images of american people and their families standing in front of farmhouses and factories fading away.
 
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sideshowsideswipe

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I have that effect on people sometimes - sorry...

I am an Irish immigrant, I came here when I was 14 years old. the kids at school in Ireland used to make fun of me for being 'so american'.

The level of opportunity and the level of convenience that makes america great is still pretty much here, but every year it gets harder and harder to be middle class.

either you get to go to college and go to a high-stress high-pay job and you become upper class, or you become lower class, there is no middle class in the united states anymore.

I really hope the country can turn around from all the mistakes that the Bush/Cheney administration has made. Remember learning about 'checks and balances' in high school? Remember when your own government didn't go out of their way to scare you? Remember when speaking out against corrupt government WOULDN'T get you a criminal record?

I miss the 'old' USA. the one that told me to 'duck and cover' if something went wrong. This government wants me to be afraid ALL THE TIME. "the terrorists are going to step up their attacks this summer - everybody be afraid now"!

I really miss the old USA. the one I remember looking forward to moving to.

before ANYBODY tells me to "go home" or there's nothing you can do about it - you would have to tell 80% of this country to do that.
 
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gone_fishin

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i don't think you'd get that response here...we're forward thinkers who look back fondly (and a bit whistfully) at what was & what could still be...americans vote with their pocketbooks, but that's backfired badly...well, that philosophy may start to ring true soon. people are getting tired of not being able to afford subsistency, and they're getting tired of subsistency being the new standard, as well :censored:

get 'em all on motoredbikes, better still, put 'em to work building them...when henry ford was asked why he paid his workers so much, he responded by saying he needed someone who could afford to buy his product...this time i think we need to make a product that fits the current circumstances...

the next american revolution is gonna be an economic one, hope we can afford it :(
 
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jerryt

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Remember when your own government didn't go out of their way to scare you? Remember when speaking out against corrupt government WOULDN'T get you a criminal record?
I don't understand what you mean by these statements. Wanna elaborate?
 
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sideshowsideswipe

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Sure - I can elaborate the hell out of my comments.

if you are percieved to be "undermining efforts in iraq" you can have your property taken away.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070717-3.html

man arrested for telling cheney his iraq policy "reprehensible"
http://cliffschecter.blogspot.com/2007/07/man-walked-up-to-dick-cheney-calmly.html


arrested for civil disobedience
http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com/2007/03/peaceful-protesters-arrested-in.html

I could go on and on all day.
 
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