Bad Luck Boy looking for motored bike and motor kit ideas.

[bad luck guy]

The Zeda engines are the best quality kit you can get. Next time you order one you should order directly from bicycle-engines.com. you get a 6 month warranty that they will honor. I am also a fan of the BT80 and BT100 kits. From what I have heard from other members is the BT100 has great performance, however you have to order from bikeberry and they don't offer a warranty.

The warranty is always nice, but how much longer can you expect a Zeda engine to last compared to one that is cheap? I am talking about just the engine.

I’ve had a couple of 2 stroke engines in the past. My seeutek pk80 had some issues but ran ok. My Zeda 80/100 firestorm wouldn’t start no matter what I did to it so I had to trash it. I recently bought an Imaycc 80cc but the quality was terrible.

I’m hesitant to buy another Zeda (considering that my last one wouldn’t even start), and I don’t want to buy another piece of junk.

Q. Bottom line is what engine kit has the best quality and performance?

Q. Is there really a difference in quality between a $200 Zeda 80cc and any crummy $100 80cc that you can find on Amazon?

Q. Considering that I’m going for better speed and performance should I be looking at 100cc or 80cc?

If you are looking for an engine kit with an optional 2 year protection plan you can get one for less than a Zeda by paying an extra $7. The shipping is 60 so factor that in, but still less than a Zeda.

Amazon.com

Here is another Cubellin that claims the engine vibrates less and is quieter. It says this:

"When in use, this bicycle engine kit only has slight noise (around 75DB) and vibration. You can use it in most outdoor environments without worrying about noise disturbance." If that claim is true it must be a well balanced engine.

Amazon.com

Here is one on the cheap from Walmart with a better carb. No warranty, but a first time buyer can just buy an extra clutch lever, pin rod, and rod ball while they are at it since you will need an extra within 6 months anyway. Maybe an extra CDI, Magneto coil and spark plug while you are at it to take advantage of the free shipping. Think of it as your own insurance.

Robot or human?

This Pexmor from Walmart looks a lot like the first Cubellin I posted.

Robot or human?

 

[bad luck guy]

A: (first 2 questions) Funny enough, the Zeda kits. "Quality" is still a relative term. The current Fireatorm 80 has a ceramic lined cylinder vs. A thin chrome or nickle plating and is way more durable. The extra cost also buys you other upgrades, like a better quality chain, improved CDI on certain engines, Bofeng carb, etc. None of them big dollar items, but they add up.

You also get a warranty with the zeda engines through Bicycle-Engines, and they have been great with me as far as filing a warranty claim. I had to replace my Phantom 85 exhaust 3 times.

Truth is, no matter what engine kit You get, there is a level of quality control you need to provide.


A: Depends on the 100cc and the 80cc. Generally speaking, the "100" engines aren't much faster, but offer better low end torque. This would be the YD100 and LD100 in particular. Zeda offers, IMHO, the best "100" engine on the market. The Zeda Max 100. It's a G4/G5 based 2 piece design, so squish gap can be corrected, unlike a YD100, and it uses the normal flanges with actual surface area, unlike the LD100. It's the closes thing to a big bore Zeda 80 you can get.

Otherwise, an Avenger 85 may be up your alley. I wouldn't recommend you for a Phantom 85 though. That's what I have, but it's not for those who want to go 50mph everywhere.

You can buy 2 of these kits at the same price as a Zeda:

https://www.walmart.com/ip/SamyoHom...ke-Silver/882667591?athbdg=L1600&from=/search

Are Zeda Engines better balanced for less vibration and noise? Is that why people like them?

 

[Gordy]

The cylinder is ceramic lined rather than whatever metal lining, so It's more resistant to wear if you break it in properly. Plus the overall quality and quality control is much better with the Zeda engines than the generic stuff.

 

[DAMIEN1307]

You can buy 2 of these kits at the same price as a Zeda:

https://www.walmart.com/ip/SamyoHom...ke-Silver/882667591?athbdg=L1600&from=/search

Are Zeda Engines better balanced for less vibration and noise? Is that why people like them?

Just by reading your postings @bad luck guy, I can already see why you chose that name...You are buying the very worst and cheapest crap on the market on most everything you buy and then have totally bad luck with your purchases...lol...lol.

And then to compound the felony, you encourage others in your postings to buy the cheapest on the market when it comes to these "Chinesium" motors...lol...lol...This forum is littered with the remains of members who have done just that and no longer enjoy this little hobby/sport of ours and have quit altogether all because they bought the very worst and cheapest crap on the market that China has to offer and then wonder why nothing works and are having a horror show of a time with it...lol.

You have much to learn little Padawan, for good or for ILL, and learn it you will...lol.

Your just not gonna be learning it from me is all since you seem to have self professed and proclaimed that you know it all already based on your postings thus far...lol.

Good luck with that...lol...lol.

 

[DAMIEN1307]

The warranty is always nice, but how much longer can you expect a Zeda engine to last compared to one that is cheap? I am talking about just the engine.

I have two Phantom 85s, (made by the same Zeda manufacturer), the oldest one already has just over 4,000 miles on it over the last couple of years and no problems at this time.

You usually get what you pay for, I like it so much I bought another one as a spare so if anything eventually does go bad, I can just pull the engine needing repairs whilst still riding on the other one since swap out is easy.

Here is mine in pics below...You get what you pay for and you also get a decent bike based totally on what you put into it to begin with.

"It is one thing to just strap a motor on a bicycle and expect it to work, It is quite another thing to carefully, methodically and mathematically, (whilst keeping the laws of physics in mind), to build a motorised bicycle that actually DOES work."

A little bit of prayer doesn't hurt either...lol.

 

[bad luck guy]

Just by reading your postings @bad luck guy, I can already see why you chose that name...You are buying the very worst and cheapest crap on the market on most everything you buy and then have totally bad luck with your purchases...lol...lol.

And then to compound the felony, you encourage others in your postings to buy the cheapest on the market when it comes to these "Chinesium" motors...lol...lol...This forum is littered with the remains of members who have done just that and no longer enjoy this little hobby/sport of ours and have quit altogether all because they bought the very worst and cheapest crap on the market that China has to offer and then wonder why nothing works and are having a horror show of a time with it...lol.

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You have much to learn little Padawan, for good or for ILL, and learn it you will...lol.

Your just not gonna be learning it from me is all since you seem to have self professed and proclaimed that you know it all already based on your postings thus far...lol.

Good luck with that...lol...lol.

Well, I should call you assumption guy. Most of the problems I had on my kit were due to the horrible instructions. With the proper instructions most of the problems I had would never have happened. I went on the website that sells Zeda and I was curious about thier parts prices and not surprisingly they were out of stock of the choke arm shaft and bucking bars. Why do you think that is? Because they all have the same clutch flaw.

Even with lots of bearing grease and regular maintenance those parts will wear quickly. How often do you have to replace those specific parts on any 2 cycle bicycle engine kit? How much are you paying for a warranty? Are you getting enough free parts to make it worth the extra markup in the price of the kit? Lots of stores will give you and option of an extended warranty.......for an extra amount.

What is wrong with that 2 year protection plan for an extra $7? I posted 2 of them from Amazon. Did you look at them?
One of them claimed their engine was quieter and vibrated less. Even listed the decibel level. That isn't a well balanced engine?

I suspect you are just upset because you have been wasting your money on hyped up products. What is wrong with a 80cc Pexmor kit from Walmart if it is $76? I could buy 2 kits for less than a Zeda kit. A spare part for everything. And if I can buy a 100cc engine kit with a choke on the handlebars, a better carb and a 2 year protection plan what is wrong with it? Why isn't it worth it?

 

[DAMIEN1307]

I went on the website that sells Zeda and I was curious about thier parts prices and not surprisingly they were out of stock of the choke arm shaft and bucking bars. Why do you think that is? Because they all have the same clutch flaw.

Even with lots of bearing grease and regular maintenance those parts will wear quickly. How often do you have to replace those specific parts on any 2 cycle bicycle engine kit?

In ten years, I have not had to ever change out anything on the clutch assemblies of either my Zeda's or my Phantoms with the exception of clutch pads since I automatically replace those red clay looking thingy's with the black and white clutch pads which are much better than what comes with almost all of these motors kits.

they all have the same clutch flaw.

The only so-called "clutch flaw" I have seen over many years is people not having a clue as to what they are doing and come into this hobby/sport not knowing the difference between a hammer and a screw driver.

That is why I have written a couple of tutorials as to how to build these things and adjust things correctly.

Clutch adjustment tutorial:

2Stroke clutch always either engaged or disengaged

Hello so i'm having some problems, after having to change some parts in my clutch, including clutch pads and etc, the clutch is always disengaged for whatever reason, i've tried adjusting the clutch spring that is inside, wont help, ive tried adjusting the cable also wont help, any more ideas...

motoredbikes.com

Motor and bike build tutorial:

Whats the best bike for a 2 stroke?

Were miles away, but I bet our side of the railroad tracks are pretty similar. Before I found cranbrook in trash, I picked up a 74 schwinn world traveler & a 74-75 schwinn varsity people were throwing away, was going to build 1 of them, but long skinny front forks were scaring me. They can be...

motoredbikes.com

 

[DAMIEN1307]

I suspect you are just upset because you have been wasting your money on hyped up products. What is wrong with a 80cc Pexmor kit from Walmart if it is $76? I could buy 2 kits for less than a Zeda kit. A spare part for everything. And if I can buy a 100cc engine kit with a choke on the handlebars, a better carb and a 2 year protection plan what is wrong with it? Why isn't it worth it?

Before my second retirement, I was an ASE certified master mechanic for over 20 years...Also was one of the honcho's for Valvoline Oil, Ashland Oil Corp. for those same over 20 years. before my retirement the second time in my life.

My first retirement I retired as a Police Lieutenant from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts so now you also know I do not take any BS from anyone.

Well, I should call you assumption guy.

Be very careful in your dealings with me from this moment onward...You now know who I am and my background here.
I know total and complete when I either hear it or smell it.

I not only do NOT listen to hype, I debunk it here in the forums, expose them for who and what they are including vendors of said products and then eventually ban them forever in the forums like Robert Bianchi of Zeda motor sports and Zeda Mafia both organisations now out of business as well as Ethen Smolik of Smolik Performance.

 

[Darwin]

Well, I should call you assumption guy. Most of the problems I had on my kit were due to the horrible instructions. With the proper instructions most of the problems I had would never have happened. I went on the website that sells Zeda and I was curious about thier parts prices and not surprisingly they were out of stock of the choke arm shaft and bucking bars. Why do you think that is? Because they all have the same clutch flaw.

Even with lots of bearing grease and regular maintenance those parts will wear quickly. How often do you have to replace those specific parts on any 2 cycle bicycle engine kit? How much are you paying for a warranty? Are you getting enough free parts to make it worth the extra markup in the price of the kit? Lots of stores will give you and option of an extended warranty.......for an extra amount.

What is wrong with that 2 year protection plan for an extra $7? I posted 2 of them from Amazon. Did you look at them?
One of them claimed their engine was quieter and vibrated less. Even listed the decibel level. That isn't a well balanced engine?

I suspect you are just upset because you have been wasting your money on hyped up products. What is wrong with a 80cc Pexmor kit from Walmart if it is $76? I could buy 2 kits for less than a Zeda kit. A spare part for everything. And if I can buy a 100cc engine kit with a choke on the handlebars, a better carb and a 2 year protection plan what is wrong with it? Why isn't it worth it?

This thread is asking for advice about buying a kit. Take it or leave it and buy what you may. Experience goes a long way in recommendations in my book, can save you $$$'s and grief.

 

[bad luck guy]

In ten years, I have not had to ever change out anything on the clutch assemblies of either my Zeda's or my Phantoms with the exception of clutch pads since I automatically replace those red clay looking thingy's with the black and white clutch pads which are much better than what comes with almost all of these motors kits.


The only so-called "clutch flaw" I have seen over many years is people not having a clue as to what they are doing and come into this hobby/sport not knowing the difference between a hammer and a screw driver.

That is why I have written a couple of tutorials as to how to build these things and adjust things correctly.

Clutch adjustment tutorial:

2Stroke clutch always either engaged or disengaged

Hello so i'm having some problems, after having to change some parts in my clutch, including clutch pads and etc, the clutch is always disengaged for whatever reason, i've tried adjusting the clutch spring that is inside, wont help, ive tried adjusting the cable also wont help, any more ideas...

motoredbikes.com

Motor and bike build tutorial:

Whats the best bike for a 2 stroke?

Were miles away, but I bet our side of the railroad tracks are pretty similar. Before I found cranbrook in trash, I picked up a 74 schwinn world traveler & a 74-75 schwinn varsity people were throwing away, was going to build 1 of them, but long skinny front forks were scaring me. They can be...

motoredbikes.com

Once again, that problem with the assembly due to horrible instructions. That is exemplified by your need to write tutorials and pretty much the existence of this forum as is to some extent. These engine kits are often sent with horrible instructions. And why are you digressing into a completely different thread than this? Searching for ammunition are you?

Some of you guys on here waste so much money on over priced kits why didn't you just buy a moped or motorcycle?