Bad Luck Boy looking for motored bike and motor kit ideas.

That happened before I knew about this forum. All Bicycle engine kits should warn people about it and advise people to take off the fenders. Referring people to this forum would be helpful as well, but a clear warning in bold is needed.
My 2 cents, you should have done your research before even ordering a kit. There are decent cheap kits out there like the PK80. You also would have found out how that clutch is supposed to be assembled and adjusted. You would have also been warned on the fenders.
 
I recommended kits that had an optional 2 year protection plan for an extra $7. Zeda kits only have a 6 month warranty and they cost more than that including the extra 7 bucks for the 2 on Amazon. People on this forum were touting Zeda's warranty, so based on that there is a better deal on Amazon. If you think I should choose to disregard that please tell me why. That is all I ask.
The reason we suggest Zeda engines from bicycle-engines.com is because of improved quality, and we have experience with the warranty. They are quite willing to honor their warranties for even the smallest of parts.
 
Look buddy, I'm not blaming you for anything. You asked why clutch arms were out of stock if they aren't poor quality, so I used a quote from your other thread to bring up an example of why they might be out of stock.

Now if you want to play the victim and act like you're being blamed for everything, let's play the blame game. If anything it's your fault for not spending the time the rest of us have to research good engines, how to put them together, and most of all how the make them last.

You're really starting to piss everyone off. I've been patient with you, but now you're just being arrogant and acting like you already know everything about these bikes. So have at it master mechanic, build yourself a four stroke bike that will show the world what a great builder you are, and don't ask for anymore help.
All you did was blame it on supply chain disruptions and never offered a reason why most of the other parts were in stock. I watched a youtube video and the guy on it said those parts wear out often and need to be replaced. If he is wrong feel free to say so. If you like I can post the video so you can see it yourself.
All I did was point out another kit had a better price and better warranty, unless a protection plan is not the same as a warranty. Isn't it?
It seems the only reason people are pissed off at me is because they think I committed heresy by suggesting there is a better deal than Zeda.
The nerve of me.
 
It seems the only reason people are pissed off at me is because they think I committed heresy by suggesting there is a better deal than Zeda.
The nerve of me.
Not at all, we think those El Cheapo Grande kits on E-bay, Walmart, etc that you recommend are total crap and many a person on the forums has had them at one time or another...The smart ones learned their lesson.

Evidently you didn't read that Private Mail message I sent you the other day concerning your snarky attitude.
 
The reason we suggest Zeda engines from bicycle-engines.com is because of improved quality, and we have experience with the warranty. They are quite willing to honor their warranties for even the smallest of parts.
Are you suggesting Cubbellin will not honor their protection plan for every part for 2 years?
I am just asking what I believe to be good questions. Don't take offense. If Zeda is all that make your case and maybe I will buy all of my parts from Zeda from then on. If they make the same design with a superior grade of steel please inform me of this and everyone else on this forum so we can all benefit from your experience and wisdom.

 
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All you did was blame it on supply chain disruptions and never offered a reason why most of the other parts were in stock. I watched a youtube video and the guy on it said those parts wear out often and need to be replaced. If he is wrong feel free to say so. If you like I can post the video so you can see it yourself.
All I did was point out another kit had a better price and better warranty, unless a protection plan is not the same as a warranty. Isn't it?
It seems the only reason people are pissed off at me is because they think I committed heresy by suggesting there is a better deal than Zeda.
The nerve of me.
No, I didn't blame supply chain issues, I blamed arrogance.if you bothered to not be butt hurt and actually read through the postings @ImpulseRocket answered your question perfect clearly...
Just to poke the bear a bit more. Let's consider things from an engineering/maintenance point of view.

The bucking bar and ball bearing are engineered weak points. Since these engines don't have any internal oil to lubricate any of these moving parts they are reliant on grease, which is just oil suspended in soap. With this in mind, let's look at some talking points.

1. Reliance on grease is a system weakness compared to an oil bath. There is less temperature control and reduced ability to lubricate all points at all times since grease "melts" when it reaches certain temperatures and may flow away from high friction points when lubrication is the most critical.

2. Due to that weakness it means that those parts will wear more quickly. With this in mind they are made out of a material to take the majority of the wear to absorb as much of that energy as possible.

3. Choosing to make those parts be sacrificial, they also made them very easy to access and replace. The clutch arm, bucking bar, and ball bearing can all be replaced in a matter of minutes.

4. There are ways to upgrade the bucking bar, which is important if doing any clutch upgrades that increase spring pressure. The most common/easiest method I have seen is to use the shank of a drill bit of the appropriate size. The downide to making one part out of a harder steel is that the other parts now become even weaker and putting more load/force into the other parts of the system. The ball bearing side can be solved by using a high quality bearing of similar hardness to the bucking bar, but this then runs the risk of wearing down the plunger for the flower nut side. The clutch arm will also potentially wear faster since the bucking bar will resist wearing more, and the energy has to go somewhere.

5. ALL of that makes grease choice critical. You can use any ol' grease and for most engines/operators it will suffice as long as maintained properly. That means the clutch components are cleaned and inspected at regular intervals and fresh grease applied. If this is not done, everything wears faster.

For me, I will spend more to utilize a high temperature machine grease with a very high moly content. Molybdenum Disulfide is a "boundry layer" lubricant that is incredibly good at preventing wear in high pressure friction situations just like the ball bearing end of the clutch system.

One can also use a variety of high temp moly greases on the market. These include 3% moly greases like Mystik JT6, CRC Sta-Lube Moly-Graph, or my personal choice is one of a few brands with a 5% content like Republic Oil Heavy Duty EP2 5% , Mystik CalSuPlex (hard to find in tubes), Belray Extreme pressure (also hard to find in tubes), and Schaeffer 238 Ultra Suprememe 5% which is the one I use as it is the easiest to find in a single tube.

As for the argument of replacing bucking bars and ball bearings "often," I ran my Phantom 85 for a couple thousand miles on the original parts and they had almost zero wear showing when I inspected them before giving that engine to my girlfriends son for his own build. In the 10 or so years I have been messing around with the 2 stroke engines, across multiple engines, I may have replaced 2 bucking bars and ball bearings due to wear.

Proper maintenance and the right lubrication for the job go a long way.

Another way to reduce wear on those parts long term is to not idle the engine with the clutch pulled in any more than necessary. Once my engines are up to temp, if I come to a stop that I know will be longer than maybe 10 or so seconds, I kill the engine. This keeps me from over heating as well as putting unnecessary wear on said components.
To shorten up what he says is people who think they know it all don't properly grease the parts causing the parts to wear quickly. He also stated they wear because people don't maintain them properly (having the clutch adjusted properly and periodically grease the parts).

If I had to guess you never greased the parts thinking the grease that was on them from the factory was adequate. This is not the case (which you would know if you did your research).

I personally don't give a rat's @$$ if you order a Zeda or not. If you think it's a good deal, more power to you, go ahead and order it. I'm getting frustrated with you because you're acting like you know everything there is to know because you watched a 15 minute video of some dude in his garage who can't grease his clutch assembly either.

Grow up or stop asking for help.
 
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Not at all, we think those El Cheapo Grande kits on E-bay, Walmart, etc that you recommend are total crap and many a person on the forums has had them at one time or another...The smart ones learned their lesson.

Evidently you didn't read that Private Mail message I sent you the other day concerning your snarky attitude.
You are evading my point about the 2 year protection plan. 4 times that of Zeda. Is everyone here on the Zeda payroll?
 
I am just asking what I believe to be good questions. Don't take offense.
And all I have done is try to answer them to the best of my knowledge. That's what all of us have tried to do. Instead of reading our replies and considering our experiences, you decided to become a know it all keyboard warrior.
 
please inform me of this and everyone else on this forum so we can all benefit from your experience and wisdom.
Is everyone here on the Zeda payroll?
I have now had quite enough of your arrogance and snarky attitude towards fellow forum members Bad Luck Boy...And I am now giving you a one month "vacation" from the forums...Be sure to lose the arrogance and snarky attitude before returning.
 
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