Bend, Oregon MB.fatality, no helmet

Discussion in 'Travelling, Commuting & Safety' started by bamabikeguy, Jul 15, 2009.

  1. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member

  2. Alaskavan

    Alaskavan Guest

    Sad to hear that. I've finally given in, and now wear a helmet whenever I ride, even though they are not required here.
  3. Porkchop

    Porkchop Member

    Same sort of situation happened here in South Carolina about a month ago. A 50 year old that I went to high school with was riding his Harley one night and a moped pulled out in front of him. Man on Harley had on helmet, but they both died. Tell me if you guys have noticed this. Seems to me most motored bike riders and peddle bike riders as well seem to ride with a little more sense than so called "Moped" riders do.
  4. Happy Valley

    Happy Valley Active Member

    Anyone we know?

    Sad news indeed, wonder if he was registered here?

    The thought recently occurred to me...... and not to put an overly macabre spin on tragic news but with all the 40+mph 'need for speed' I see on the site these days......I was wondering how long it would be before the first tragedy from our ranks would surface.

    MABs, motor assisted bicycles.
  5. arceeguy

    arceeguy Active Member

    Tragic story. But as far as the "no helmet" situation, the story did not say that he died from head injuries that may have been prevented with wearing a helmet. For all we know, a helmet would not have helped him out.
  6. SirJakesus

    SirJakesus Guest

    From what I've seen and heard they only mention helmets and seat belts when there's a fatal accident and somebody ISN'T wearing one. They never EVER print "This dude plowed his sedan into a tree doing about 40mph. Police say he was wearing his seat belt at the time but he later died in the hospital from internal bleeding." They just don't mention the safety stuff at all since they have a (revenue raising) agenda.
    There was a bad accident on the news somewhere near boston where 2 SUV's rolled on the highway and all 6 or 7 people died on the scene. They made no mention of seat belt use most likely because they were in Massachusetts and all of them were strapped down in fear of getting a ticket. They were doomed regardless, it's all chance. Banning top heavy SUV's would have saved their lives more than seat belt laws.
    If you want to wear protective gear, good! But if you don't who's the granny state to say you have to? What ever happened to people being self reliant and responsible for their own actions. With some of the people I meet every day I wish darwin would start removing bad genes from the pool in a hurry.
  7. HoughMade

    HoughMade Guest

    The facts are the facts. Would a helmet have helped in this case? No way to know. However, are you safer if you provide some sort of protection to your head? Of course, there can be no rational debate.

    Seat belts? Everyone seems to have a cousin's, uncles, former rommate's aunts, best friend story about if they had been wearing a seat belt, they would have been killed....but scientifc studies prove (and as a lawyer, I do not use that word lightly) that using seat belts is, overall, safer than not using them. I will play the odds on these.

    However, here, the obvious problem was bad riding. Guys, stop at the stop signs, do what i tell my kids- look both ways, and then do it again.
  8. mlcorson

    mlcorson Member

    We've seen this argument before....some people think they are bullet proof and won't end up living on a breathing machine, having your mother feed you, change your diaper, and change your catheter tube. Today, with medical advances, chances are better that someone will survive a traumatic brain injury. Your family then runs out of money, and you end up on permanent disability with your family burdened with caring for you. The pain and hardship you burden your family with is your business, I just don't want to pay for it. Self reliant? All for it. Few actually have the integrity to do it.
  9. HoughMade

    HoughMade Guest

    I'll go a step further. Not only do I wear a helmet, but I wear shoes or boots that cover my ankles like I would on a motorcycle, always long pants, always long sleeves and always gloves. I'm even thinking about getting some of those kevlar lined jeans and jacket.

    I like my riding fun, but I really like not being injured.
  10. 5-7HEAVEN

    5-7HEAVEN Guest

    JMO, I need to travel the 35mph speed limit to protect myself from encroaching vehicles. If I were to go any slower I'd be nudged off the road by cagers who feel they have the right of way.

    I drive in the middle of the road where the limits are 25mph and 35mph. If I maintain the speed limit with the flow of traffic, I am not a safety hazard. If I see a vehicle quickly approaching above the speed limit behind me, I'll get out of his way.

    I also wear a motorcycle helmet, safety vest, gloves, kneepads and steel-toed boots.

    If I become a statistic, my friend Hawaii Ed will let you all know.:whistling:
  11. HoughMade

    HoughMade Guest

    I will agree that speed is not as much of an issue so long as the bike is properly put together. You make a good point that depending on where you ride, too slow can be more dangerous.
  12. Hawaii_Ed

    Hawaii_Ed Member

    I've got many years of ER/Paramedic backgroud. I have seen cases where the helmet would have helped, and I have seen some where all it did was leave a pretty face for the viewing. I have seen deaths on pedal bikes as well from no helmet. Myself and my son always wear one, it gives you a better chance. But if you get hit car vs bike at 60, you do not have much chance either way.

    The largest percentage of motorcycle fatalities are young riders, single vehicle accidents, meaning some 20 year old jumped on a sport bike, lost it, and killed himself. Older riders tend to be more mature and responsible, but there is a trend in recent years of over 40 riders with over 1000cc machines dying more.

    Motorized bikes 'mostly' eliminate the single vehicle deaths with low-speed. Our biggest threat is getting hit by a cager, either through their negligence our ours. I've ridden MC's over 25 years now, and power/manuverability has saved me many times. MB's do not have the power to get out of the way, but rolling faster in traffic is a help.

    I do not see the over 40 MPH as a dangerous pursuit, it is obviously safer on a 35 MPH road to be able to keep up with traffic than be doing 20MPH and have all the cagers whizzing by. To me, each car that passes me is one more chance I might get hit.

    There are 73 to 85 million bicycle riders in the US, including 44.7 million over age of 6 who rode more than six times in 2008.

    698 bicyclists reportedly died on US roads in 2007.

    In a typical year over 90 percent of cyclists killed on US roads die in crashes with motor vehicles.

    The "typical" bicyclist killed on our roads is a sober male over 16 not wearing a helmet riding on a major road between intersections in an urban area on a summer evening when hit by a car.

    About 540,000 bicyclists visit emergency rooms with injuries every year. Of those, about 67,000 have head injuries, and 27,000 have injuries serious enough to be hospitalized.

    Non-helmeted riders are 14 times more likely to be involved in a fatal crash than helmeted riders.

    Head injuries account for more than 60 percent of bicycle-related deaths, more than two-thirds of bicycle-related hospital admissions and about one-third of hospital emergency room visits for bicycling injuries.

    A very high percentage of cyclists' brain injuries can be prevented by a helmet, estimated at anywhere from 45 to 88 per cent.

    Direct costs of cyclists' injuries due to not using helmets are estimated at $81 million each year, rising with health care costs.

    Indirect costs of cyclists' injuries due to not using helmets are estimated at $2.3 billion each year.

    Helmet use in the US varies greatly in different areas and different sectors of our society. White collar commuters probably reach 80 per cent, while inner city kids and rural kids would be 10 per cent or less. Overall, our best wild guess is probably no more than 25 per cent.

    Bicyclist deaths in 2007: 698 (Down from 773 in 2006)

    Bicyclist injuries in traffic in 2007: 43,000 (Down from 44,000 in 2006)

    Average age of a bicyclist killed on the highways: 40

    Average age of a bicyclist injured on the highways: 30

    Bicylists 15 and under killed: 107. Injured: 12,000

    Bicyclists 16 to 34 killed: 163. Injured 16,000

    Bicyclists 35 to 54 killed: 262. Injured 10,000

    Bicyclists 55 and older killed: 4,000
  13. machiasmort

    machiasmort Active Member

    Put into context of this site, I am overwhelmed by the age of our Brothers ridding motorised bicycles deceased at 50 and above due to accidents. Not often you hear of younger guy's... I would and want to wear a helmet but the problem is that it attracts more attention here. Long sleve (heavy weight) and long pants ect. are essential.

    I like Hough's idea w/kevlar. Could probably find some at a sewing shop and sew your own renforcements.
  14. arceeguy

    arceeguy Active Member

    I agree - nanny state laws plain suck. I wear a bicycle helmet on my MB, and a MC helmet on my MC. BUT, I don't want laws forcing people to do what I think is right. If someone else wants to ride without, then they should be free to do so!

    You know, I bet we can save some lives if we mandated helmets in cars. Along with airbags and seatbelts, helmet use would be a great supplement! :whistling: (I know, don't give them any ideas!)

    As far as "banning top heavy SUV's" - I disagree. Those people that want to drive a SUV like a Porsche deserve to flip them over. Like you said, Darwinism at work. Problem is that other innocent bystanders will get hurt too.
  15. Porkchop

    Porkchop Member

    Here in South Carolina, the laws are funky in my opinion. Helmets are not required. They lifted the required motorcycle helmet law about 20 years or so ago. If you're inside an automobile, you have to wear seat belt, but you can ride in the bed of a pickup truck without a helmet or any type of restraint, so you can be thrown out and about like a rag doll. Makes no sense to me, I don't make the laws, I just abide by them. My favorite though is one day I saw a flat bed truck coming down the road. It had a sofa on the back of it, not tied down what so ever, with a man sitting on it. Go figure ! One turn just a little to fast and he and the sofa would be history. Anyway, I wear bike helmet, kevlar gloves, knee pads, elbow pads and safety glasses.
  16. Silvaire

    Silvaire Member



    Thanks for posting these enlightening stastics. It certainly gives one lots to think about regarding their own approach to personal safety.

    The last stastic you mention seems a bit off though. From simple arithmatic of the totals presented, the last line should probably read:

    Bicyclists 55 and older killed:166. Injured 4,000"

    Still, a very significant number...
    Last edited: Jul 16, 2009
  17. Hawaii_Ed

    Hawaii_Ed Member

    And I just happen to be 40 :(
  18. Happy Valley

    Happy Valley Active Member

    A guy got killed and I want to say rest in peace. Condolences to his family, loved ones and friends and that they find solace and a way to get through.

    Linked below is a follow-up story to this tragedy and either directly or indirectly it puts the focus square on motorized bikes. Most states that have a moped law have legal definitions, requirements and regulations on speed. My home state is fairly simple, helmet and mirror, top obtainable speed of 30 and top operating speed of 25.

    Those who think speed is not a factor flies in the face of every LEO's opinion.
    The arbitrary rationale that keeping up with automobile traffic on a MB is safer, places one directly in the same jurisdiction and legal requirements as those automobiles. You essentially become a motor vehicle operator and logically lose any co-existing status that might be inherent operating a bicycle. The future status of MBs rests in the balance. Speaking for myself, if I had to dice it up with cars at 40+ on a MB, I'd either find an alternate route or another method of getting there.

    One other point I want to touch upon is that there are many young or underage and impressionable members and non-members reading here. I'd hope this site and it's mature members reflect a safe and responsible approach to MBs, for general well-being but also for the future of our interests.

    Below is the story but the link also contains a newscast video that speaks volumes.

    Last edited: Jul 17, 2009
  19. SimpleSimon

    SimpleSimon Active Member

    Self reliance is a wonderful thing, and "manny-state" laws can be very obnoxious.

    So, in the interests of self-reliance, and removing the nanny-state requirements, lets do this instead.

    No helmet or protective gear, no emergency medical response. If you can crawl to the hospital under your own power after the accident, fine. If you bleed out from a depressed fracture of the skull and torn scalp wounds from hitting the pavement helmetless, the cause of death is listed as suicide.
  20. arceeguy

    arceeguy Active Member

    I guess the same could be said for anyone riding a bicycle on the same roads as automobiles. Even with your helmet, you'll need to crawl to the hospital under your own power. If you don't make it, they'll bury you in your helmet. My point here is that a lot of things we do are inherently carry more risk than other things. Should we ban things because they are more risky? Or should we allow people to take the risks (like riding a pedal bicycle in urban traffic) and accept the consequences should something happen.

    In any case, it is clear from that news link that he did die from head injuries. A helmet may have prevented his death.

    Problem is that the media and police are clearly making a big deal about the fact that it was a motorized bike - even though the same accident could have happened with a pedal bicycle. It looks like a HuaSheng 4 stroke frame mount kit. So does this mean that the company that manufactured the kit will now get sued? What about the distributor that sold the kit, will his @ss get sued too because the driver hit a motorcycle head on? Will the nanny state govt simply ban motorized bikes because they think they are dangerous? Or will they regulate them out of existence.