Convince me

[Huntington]

Now is the time to convince me a 4 stroke is better then a 2 stroke for my next build. Not a thread about which is better, more what are the advantages of the 4. I have never used the 4 stroke but have built a few 2.

What do you guys think?

The build will be on the Grubee GT2 bicycle, Ill average a 10 mile (round trip) commute 4 days a week, 30mile commute one day a week. Combo of early morning, day, and late evening driving. Mostly flat roads, southern cali.

 

[arceeguy]

Superior fuel economy
Longer life due to oil bath lubrication
Lower emissions
No mixing of fuel/oil
Plugs don't foul as easily
Exhaust note is perceived to be less annoying than a 2 stroke

 

[Huntington]

and what is the best kit out there? I here the honda.. what is it called? and do I need to buy a gearbox separate from the kit?

 

[arceeguy]

Sorry - can't help you there. I'm a two stroke fan myself.

But I am looking into a 4 stroke kit in the near future. Regardless of the gearbox, it will probably be a HuaSheng F142 49cc engine as it is affordable and gets great reviews. Honda also makes an excellent engine, but it is cost prohibitive for me.

 

[azbill]

don't forget smoooooth !!!
unless you like a constant butt massage

 

[Ghost0]

Another con is power and weight, my 2 stroke will smoke my 4 stroke any day in every aspect. The 4 stroke weighs about 30% more than the 2 stroke.

 

[HoughMade]

If you are comparing a HT 2 stroke vs. a 4 stroke...the comparison gets easier. Any 4 stroke is simply a better manufactured engine over all. there are some HTs that last a long time, but it's hit and miss. If comparing something like a Mitsubishi 2 stroke (or any other quality 2 stroke) to a 4 stroke, a bit more difficult because they are well made engines. The advantages are back to what were mentioned above.

The options for a 4 stroke frame mount kits are Honda or Huasheng (the HS being a "clone" of the Honda). I have a Honda, but most people with the HS are very satisfied. The gearboxes I would personally consider would be the EZM- both versions, the Grubee Skyhawk Stage III (I have a Stage II and like it very much, but they are gone), and the Grubee 4G. There may be others coming to the market, but these are available now.

I would not ever recommend the Hoot geardrive gearbox- that is the usually the least expensive out there and is sold under different names. You recognize it by the shape of the gearbox which is a figure "8". I also would not recommend the Hoot chain drive gearbox, at least the first version of it. The little chain stretches pretty quickly.

For a rack mount, there are more engine options (Robin-Subaru, other Hondas, Titan [another Honda clone], etc.) for a drive system, you could have belt, friction or chain from reputable companies like Golden Eagle, Staton, Dax, Dimension Edge or others.

 

[arceeguy]

don't forget smoooooth !!!
unless you like a constant butt massage

One of my friends admitted that she likes Harley's because "it is a massive vibrator that goes fast, what's there not to love". So there you go, a womans point of view on vibrating two wheeled vehicles. Maybe that's the real reason why they should be called "Happy Time" engines!

 

[azbill]

good one Arcee !!! LOL

 

[arceeguy]

Yeah - lol, you could have knocked me over with a feather after she said that!!!!

I had given her a ride on my Kawasaki Ninja, and she mentioned how smooth the engine was - then she dropped the bombshell on the real reason why women prefer Harley-Davidsons.