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  1. thatsdax

    thatsdax Guest

    Here are pictures of the new EPA compliant Black Cat Mufflers. First pic is the muffler in one piece, the second pic is after baloney cut. You can clearly see the catalyst and the large valence with Free air Resonance buffer surrounding the Cat Array. So.. Yes.. To answer some skeptics, these Black Cats are for real and not just a muffler that is black to make you think it is different. Thanks... Enjoy the ride..

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  2. wavygravy

    wavygravy Guest

    does this mean its epa approved in america? & now compliant? or is this just another gimmick to get people to buy more illeagal engine kits?
  3. jahmez20

    jahmez20 Member

    Good question, is the muffler compliant, or does it make the motor compliant??? Documentation? Sorry for the NOOB giving you a hard time... But inquiring minds want to know.
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  4. thatsdax

    thatsdax Guest

    They meet

    It is no more a gimmick than other 2 strokes sold that also use this technology. The pictures were to show that it is for real and not a gimmick. Thanks..
  5. thatsdax

    thatsdax Guest

    Sparky . IF..

    Sparky, if engines and adapter kits are illegal where you live, do not buy or attempt to buy one.. At no time am I going to or ever give legal advice. I have opinions, but I am not a lawyer. Sparky, please consult the legal section for engine kit legality in your area.. Thanks.
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  6. wavygravy

    wavygravy Guest

    the question is - is it leagal in the good old u.s. of a.? does this converter pipe make it legal? does it now have a certified compliant sticker? if not it seems its just another sales gimmick for vendors? please correct me if im wrong!
  7. thatsdax

    thatsdax Guest


    No to be redundant, but, you need to check into the legal implications of using any motor to assist your bicycle in your area. Legal in one area may not be legal in another even with stickers, data plates, or what ever. When you say good Ole USA, well, the USA is very large with many jurisdictions. That means, laws can be different from one place to another. If you want to go into details, you can IM me. Thanks..
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  8. wavygravy

    wavygravy Guest

    dear mr vendor. were talking c.a.r.b. & t.i.e.r. federaly accepted epa standards here. that means the good old u.s.a. as for my area or any other this is the standard that must be met to be compliant & under 50 cc duh!! & no i wont go into i.m. anymore on the subject as this all needs be in the open for all to respond to! please answer the hard questions instead of doin the tango!
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  9. wayde

    wayde Guest

    i got one from revoloution cycles and it's nothing like that i'll cut it and post pics tomorrow
  10. A cat on a two cycle? wont the oil mix cause cloging issues??
  11. Just to get some information I've been googling what it would take to get that epa certification and I can't seem to find the link that details the actual steps.
    I do recall it costing a substantial amount of money.
    Here's the thing though.
    Yes,those Happy Times it would be hard to please the EPA but I don't exactly see right now them getting hard on equipment we already own.
    So how does one get their engine to be compliant?
    I have to be honest here and say that right now the epa isn't exactly up on our throats but that may be different tomorrow.
    That cat muffler won't clog if you use a 2 stroke oil that won't jam it up. Castor oil would be a definite no no. And you wouldn't want to over oil your mixture. But the very fact that it is HERE should tell EVERYONE that someone somewhere in China is trying to get this done. China already have EPA compliant engines otherwise you won't be seeing these in ATV's and such sold all over the flea markets and malls. Funny how you don't see bike engines though. But this muffler tells me it's just around the corner.
    Now I did read in some of my googling that the EPA won't mess with small equipment we already own but is cleaning up equipment waiting to be sold.
    So this tells me that right now we are okay and when we are not okay that only applies to anything we buy new and we can keep what we already have.
    Someone correct me here. I really want to know just what it takes here to get this done. And is it the responsibility of the manufacturers of the engines that we buy that is responsible for compliancy or can anyone get an engine certified? And if one person gets a certain make of an engine certified does that mean that all models of the same engine is automatically certified or is it per engine?
    Somebody clear the air here no pun intended!
  12. augidog

    augidog New Member

    my post is assuming we agree on basic federal guidelines

    because of misinformation early on in related discussions...including, yes, deliberate withholding of said info in some cases...some of us were making incorrect's unfortunate but indicative of what the consumer is supposed to be read read 'ing ;)

    so, tho it may seem to be inappropriate for me to get involved in this thread, i'll not provoke but only state what i've been able to glean from the fog...anyone, help us out with more detail.

    certification is usually associated with autos and trucks, and similar large is a prohibitively high layout to expect of vehicles of our power and weight range. compliance is a simpler process, but still controlled, and from what i've gathered, an acceptable minimum to pursue. i think all SI-SORE's entering the usa are supposed to be compliant with current standards anyway. if this matters to you: when choosing an engine, beware of "intended use" or "approved design" loopholes.

    the main this moment, as far as i've learned, the federal guidelines about motor assisted bicyles make no specific mention of minimum emmissions standards. corrections & thoughts, please.

    compliance with current EPA and CARB standards, however, is not too much to expect. legitimate documentation & labeling would of course be a prerequisite of the claim of compliance.

    since most know where i'm coming from, i might as well finish with a personal statement, for the movement:

    if anyone brings any legit 48cc or under EPA/C.A.R.B.-compliant engine to the MB-market, i'm good :cool:
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  13. TwoWalks

    TwoWalks Member

    I understand anyone wanting a "legit 48cc or under EPA compliant engine.

    What I do not understand is the reason people not living in California keep wanting the engine to be C.A.R.B. compliant since that is a California requirement. Have all the other U.S.A. states adopted the California requirement?
  14. TWalker

    TWalker Guest

    Exactly...people are getting hung up on environmental/legal issues they know little about. I own a pocket bike engine thats powering a bike and it has EPA and CARB approval it doesn't even need in my state.

    IOW its more compliant than it even needs to be. I hear people rattle off BS like "bike engines emit more pollution than full size cars" . Its BS.

    Yes chingens are behind the pack but keep it tuned and used a good synthetic oil and its fine. Chingens need to keep up and it looks like they are with the new 48's im seeing.
  15. JemmaUK

    JemmaUK Guest

    I dont really understand the point of all this to be honest.

    Its one thing to want to de-smog or clean up a 6.6 litre V8 engine - because the throughput of one of those engines is massive.

    Its another thing entirely if we are talking in the area of 25-50ccs.

    More to the point - even if you go and buy a 2 stroke commercial engine that is CARB or whatever else compliant - the minute you remove the stock muffler and replace it with a tuned pipe like I have you are out of compliance anyway... and isnt it strange - how the people who sell the 'compliant' engines are also the ones selling kits to instantly render the engine non compliant?

    I could understand it more if half of the UK/US was buzzing around on something that resembles a cross between a glorified lawnmower and a moped, but they arent and unless laws drastically change in the UK at least they arent likely to be.

    If we say that on this forum alone we have at least 1000 members with a bike each, and on the other we have about the same with maybe 500 members that arent duplicated on both - that gives us 1500 machines... most of which are either under 50ccs or barely over. How is this a problem in comparison to families that have maybe 3-4 cars like mine did at one point in the not too distant past?

    As to whether people should report others or not... I wouldnt, simply because its a pointless irrelevant law - when the US Govt is still allowing companies like Chrysler and others to pump out V8's left right and centre when the same job - in most cases - could be done with a smaller, high tune 4-cylinder or a V6 of smaller displacement. I have seen 3 cylinder twin turbo *car* engines that even I can pick up and carry putting out 200+ HP... so why go after someone when the engine is so small you need to pedal to help it up a hill

    If someone commits murder or some other unpleasantness then fair enough inform the authorities (...theres a fair chance they wont do a thing anyway) but dont take away what in some cases is peoples only form of viable transport for a law that was only enacted in the first place because it protected large corporates and was a sop towards the environmental lobby (mostly heavy on the mental) to make people think the PTB gave a monkeys proverbial..

    Dont get me wrong - I am all for environmentalism - but most of it bases itself on a fundamental mistake in understanding. We *cannot* destroy the planet and we *cannot* destroy life, about the only thing we *can* destroy is ourselves. The planet will recover in time whatever we do. The only question is will the human race? - and I dont think a couple of thousand cyclemotors are gonna make much difference either way..

    Jemma xx
  16. crazeehorse

    crazeehorse Member

    i think within the next ten years you will be charged a tax, based on how much carbon gas you produce. i hate the idea, but the truth is it will come from somewhere, if not there. you will have a choice between upgrading to go green (on electrical power, oil, natural gas , etc.) or keep what you have now, & keep paying the high tax. the gov. will then split the cost ( oh & by the way, thats your tax money the gov. is going to match you with) & together we will pay the large companies & traders ( the same ones that are behind the 4.00 a gal. gas) to produce the new greener equipment to sell to you,( thats what is caalled "getting you going & coming", & this is all for your own good. cause we don't have the good sense to know what is best for us. are'nt you glad they are looking out for the masses of dumbasses!
  17. beach cruzin

    beach cruzin Guest

    I think the bottem line here quality no matter were we live we want quality and in the world of small engines Epa compliant means quality.After my self having gone trew a half dozen engines (HT) I am ready for some quality and it is surprising how many people here don't seem to relize that. Mabye you can put a compliant exhaust on carp motor,but is not still a carp motor?
  18. TWalker

    TWalker Guest

    I already have a propane set up for my Honda 4 stroke. As soon as I get a proper throttle I will have a dual fuel/hybrid motored bike. Pictures will be posted ASAP.
  19. TwoWalks

    TwoWalks Member

    Well I agree with you but disagree at the same time. Quality is built into an engine and even the highest quality engine will not have EPA/C.A.R.B. certification unless it is applied for.

    My question is why people in Kansas should care if the engine is C.A.R.B. certified? California Air Resources Board is only for the legislation of vehicles sold in California.
  20. beach cruzin

    beach cruzin Guest

    Right quality is bult in,so in order for and engine to pass criteria and be certified it would be quality? At this point thats all we have to go on,cuzz how do believe someone just telling you that its the best there,a-lot of that around here and most of is bs imho

    Now maybe the guy in Kansas wants all that for envriroment reasons of his own,ya know go green save the planet go hemp all that:grin:
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