Thanks how slow is this web site now days. I tryed to move this over to projects thread and it has not popped up. at first I thought I did some thing wrong on the the thread starter so I wrote it again with pics and it has been a hour now and still has not popped up yet. So now I am seeing what happens her on this thread. I have never seen a web site take so long to show a thread. Maybe there is a better web site out there for my needs. Amazing days later and its there.