Honda 35 vs. Robin 33

Discussion in '4-Stroke Engines' started by strotter, Feb 7, 2010.

  1. strotter

    strotter Member

    O.K. for the purposes of this thread, forget price,
    Which is better?

  2. Old Bob

    Old Bob Member

    The Honda.
  3. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member

    Back in 2006-7, I read the Robin outdid the Honda in most specs.

    But more importantly, Robin-Subaru warranties the units for OUR usage, while Honda only warranties there own brands and/or approved generators, pressure-washers, mowers et al.

    Every "off use",do-it-yourselfers are on their own.

    edit: fyi here is a previous debate. most liked the RS cylinder sleeve, and Honda's performance on small engines went down iirc in the late '90's when they moved production to Thailand and altered some cylinder specs.
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2010
  4. andyszyd

    andyszyd Member

    Unless somebody has both Subaru and Honda and tested them for a while, any opinion which is "better" is worthless.

    I bought Subaru cause it was available and cheaper.
    Very happy with it.

    I can not speak for Honda since I do not own it.

    I believe they are both great and durable engines, one can not go wrong going either way.
  5. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member

    I've only used Honda twice, and that was a shipping error by Staton, I ordered Robins, but the customer ok'd it....

    Put the impressions in a Worksman PAV thread.

    Put on oodles of Robins, no complaints. (yet)
  6. Old Bob

    Old Bob Member

    I've owned both and had both on a dyno.

    There is no sleeve in the Robin,its a plain aluminum bore just like the Honda if anyone has noticed Robin has corrected their website.Probably after being hit with a truth in advertising complaint.

    That statment is not even relevant the GX35 wasn't even in production until 2003.The GX35 power ratings dropped after rejetting the carb for certain markets.Has nothing to do with cylinder specs.
  7. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member


    I don't own shares of either brand, so it makes **** difference to me what he buys.

    But I don't see where Honda is superior, except it weighs a tad less. I know they are subbing out all their small engine production, to Thailand and now Communist China.

    Maybe the Honda Label is printed in Japan, I dunno.

    I haven't heard of Robin-Subaru using that cheap labor gimmickry, (yet).

    Horsepower, dimensions, warranties, number of satisfied RS-EH035 all the categories that count, Honda is NOT any type of gold standard in the micro biz.

    btw: Subaru's site:
  8. strotter

    strotter Member

    hhmmmm..... I'm still not sure which one to buy. I have a Honda 50 on a tandem and love it. I'm leaning toward the Honda, just because I've owned several Honda's over my life time and have been happy with them. Trying to keep a open mind....
  9. BigDaddyT

    BigDaddyT Member

    I doubt you could go wrong either way. I guess for me the deciding factor would be servicability and the availability of parts locally.
  10. Old Bob

    Old Bob Member

    They are building the engines in their own plant, Honda's Thailand plant is world class, not subbing out, none of the mini four stroke engines are being built in china.
  11. robin bird

    robin bird Member

    Thailand is not Japan--just like when Chrysler and GM builds stuff in Mexico it often is inferior!!
  12. Happy Valley

    Happy Valley Active Member

    Yes, I agree, whichever you can best get your hands on you're way ahead in the game. These debates remind me 'back in the day' when guys argued Ford/Chevy. Either one is a lightyear ahead of the current china 2 strokes.
  13. BigDaddyT

    BigDaddyT Member

    Yup, lol. You really cant lose in this market if you pay for the quality.
  14. augidog

    augidog New Member

    i've experienced the honda on a DE when the guys were in town, and i have ongoing direct experience with the RS...without some serious comparison time i'd never know the difference in that power-class...the RS is one fine engine, i can't say it's better than the honda but i CAN say it would be hard to get better...1st-pull starts, plenty torque for a 35, smooth & very very quiet.

    yup, asking "what's the best?" is tricky territory, but at least in this case you are comparing apples & apples....i'd expect long-term comparison results to be pretty much neck & neck :)
    Last edited: Feb 9, 2010
  15. Old Bob

    Old Bob Member

    I think this is case of shills jumping in to discredit Honda, but anyone who has manufacturing experience can examine both engines and come away with the fact the Honda is higher quality in every aspect right from the machining to the assembly.
    Not to mention in back to back test the Honda makes more power throughout the rpm range.
    Cost was not a consideration but compare apples to apples the purchase price of either engine is within $10 of each other.
    Country of origin means nothing when you are talking about manufacturers of Hondas caliber.
    Don't tell me Japland is so hot these days when Toylet is recalling their cars left and right.
    Its an outright racial slur to say that japanese workers are better than thais. Its not about the worker, its about design and process control, in a modern manufacturing plant the associates on the plant only perform a small portion of the overall picture, if the process control in place is working correctly anyone can duplicate the quality achieved in any other plant and Honda acheives that.

    In a low performance application such as MBs the Honda and R/S will satisfy most people,the RS falls short of my high performance applications and my opinion is reflected by this.
  16. HoughMade

    HoughMade Guest

    I feel the same way about when GM builds stuff in Canada...but back to the issue at hand.

    I have never seen any objective tests that could give the edge to one or the other, Thailand or not.
  17. BigDaddyT

    BigDaddyT Member

    I bought two mexican built trucks. I was worried the workmanship was not going to be as good as american. They were the best trucks I ever had. I asked someone why they thought a mexican who makes 8 bucks an hour could do a better job than an american making 4 times as much with bennies. The answer was the mexican had no job security so he did his very best every day. With 200k miles neither truck had a single rattle or squeek. Was pretty amazing. I would gladly buy another mexican truck any day of the week.
  18. robin bird

    robin bird Member

    No i dont blame you for feeling that way-especially with current economic situations-and your also right about an objective test ! On the Subaru i would like to see a better way to drain the oil (like an oil plug) it is a bit of a hassel using a turkey baster or trying to turn the engine upside down.
    Last edited: Feb 10, 2010
  19. augidog

    augidog New Member

    what have you learned dorothy?

    are both the honda & robin complying with the new regs? i know the RS is but dunno about the honda. are they both tagged in california as "extended?" if so, then you can count on either one lasting for a good long time (300 hours = 9,000 MB miles) provided you know what to expect from 35cc's...because...why would you put an expensive catalyst that will last 300 hours on an engine that will not? noone puts that much into certification without putting some decent bearings & such in there too.

    that pesky label is good for something after all.
  20. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member

    What type kit are you running there, Old Bob?

    Got a picture of your motorized bike?

    I'll admit to being an idiot on, but I haven't noticed maybe 10-20 Honda GX35's on motorized bicycles, and 2 of those were mine.

    A lot of these "which is best" threads are started by window shoppers. I only know when I had a plastic gas tank problem on an early install, the Robin-Subaru rep in California called me, sent a free replacement, no questions asked and it arrived in 2 days.

    If that's shilling, I'm guilty.

    The Honda site:

    The Robin Subaru site:

    Flip a coin.....