and I'm trying to follow the rules of the forum master. I've motorized bikes from scratch but never had a really reliable machine. I've just about settled on just buying a good kit if I can find the right one. My main concern, as you can see in my posts, is the hub that mounts to spokes. I feel this one thing is the weakest link in all the bike engine kits and I hope it improves. I want good, reliable quality from the start and am willing to pay for it if reasonable. Money doesn't grow on trees.