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Last Nights Chat with Augi

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MotorbikeMike

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Hi guys, these are reposts of PM after permission was granted. I never post openly pm's unless permission is granted.

Originally Posted by MotorbikeMike
Hi Augi, thanks for writing me. I don't seem to know what is going on here at times. I have seen what appears to be a pretty significant trend by the "Happy Time" people to completely ignore the Whizzer.

I think it's a stinkin shame that these "so-called Americans" would rather buy a cheap (in every sense of the word) Chinese engine, smuggled illegally into this country, and then, not only NOT buy, but completely ignore the ONLY American company that is promoting Motor Bicycles, AND who is not doing business with our enemy, the Red Cloud (Communist China).

Have all our heros all died for nothing? The freakin chinese are taking the path paved by our other sucessful former enemy Japan. EXCEPT that we took all weapons of mass destruction away from the Imperial Empire of Japan. Not so with China! Do not believe for one new york minute that those boot-lickin Chinese care one whit about us, you or anyone!

They have never, and will NOT improve this engine. It is a "dead" product, and between my influence and a couple other guys in 2002-2004 and the groundwork laid by Don Grube (too stinkin' chinese himself to be any good to anyone but himself!!!) the improvemants were made, BUT as we are a "No-Ship" country, nothing more can ever be expected from RED CHINA

There are a few people here who build outstanding bikes, Dan at IRide being high on that short list, Zomby's work, along with Warlock, and a couple others come to mind. Guys who are getting out the torches and getting creative.

NOW Please, do not, for a moment think, that I don't know, that not every one posseses the skills and tools to do these things. I too have little or no money, and rely on my collections from past years, and do NOT have a big budget, I get it done "by hook and crook" so many times. But, the masses do not even try to come up, it seems to me. They seem to be satisfied to be the Bottom of the Barrel and ridiculously proud of it!

The rest are content to screw the cheapest stinkin engine, on the cheapest POS bike they can get free or otherwise, and call it a "board track racer" or some other preposterous thing.

Sometimes I think I am just burned out! I have tried to take the Motor Bicycle hobby above a 69 dollar Huffy, and a dammed illegal engine with bearings made from WW2 scrap, from downed fighter planes.

I cannot figure out how many will grow into Whizzers, but maybe at least one catagory that was called Whizzer (something or other) is a good idea?

I am currently, and have always been ready to help people, and many who have bought from my competition, and me fully knowing that whatever satisfaction I get from helping them is all I will ever get from this association.

I'm tired, and telling the truth, and you know how unpopular that can be?

On another note, I do have what apperas to be an NOS .120 spoked square-sided front drum wheel that is marker "Sun Products" and may actually be an earlier Worksman wheel. It has been in the sea air a bit longer than was a good idea, and is surface rusted. I can take pics if you like. A new worksman is 150.00. I;'ll take pics for you, and if you might want it, I would sell it for 80.00 and can tell you that it is strong, and will stop you.

It's late and I'm very tired, and who knows what I might say next?

thanks again

Mike
 


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MotorbikeMike

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More from Last night/this morning

Originally Posted by MotorbikeMike
Hi Augi, I agree that the best thing for everyone would be to try to cycle out of the "China-Fire" engines.
Grube is not a fun guy to deal with, and in my opinion disloyal to boot. I did much to help him after his split with Steve Miller (Steve of SpitFire was the first to back-door him at the factory, after first having ordered all the spare parts that Don had, Steve never discussed with Don what he was up to, just never ordered another engine.) Grube is, however the prime contact in China.

A friend of mine and I have discussed our own line of bicycle engine kits, I am a licensed Importer, and can bring anything legal from any couintry. I would probably stay with China for the tanks, as I don't have a taiwan source for tanks, and they can be very expensive sourced from non-thirdworld nations.

If we did create a line of kits they would be less that 2hp, and NOT assembeled in the same box from any chinese factory, as those stinking Chinamen cannot be trusted, and I would not want my product backdoored and all over ebay. Our current problem with creating a kit, is we want to mid-frame mount, and want it to look like a mottorcycle engine, and basicly there are none. The current gearboxes apparently are all bunk except Staton, and his is expensive.

I'll try to get a shot of thet wheel today, and am interested in wheather they still make the Industrial line.

If we are going to attract the Whizzer, and other upper line types here to this board, there will need to be no continuing "utter cheapness" discussed, and I'm sure you know who those people are. I have not sent my local customers to this board, as it would result in too much business loss, or niggling on prices, and I got to make a living, and part of it is my bike business.

Maybe 3 catagories is good, but how will we isolate the higher-end customer from the "cheap chatter" which is counter productive, and will be boring to them?

Mike
 
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gone_fishin

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1st...i hope you took good note of the password ;)

2nd...by all means, let's get off the RED tit as soon as we can...i hope to get roland in here someday, after he gets up to speed with his gearbox.
 
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gone_fishin

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3rd...grube can bite my poor-boy disabled american veteran's a s s!!!
 
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Alaskavan

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I haven't read anything here that I disagree with. My politics are a bit radical. I think that all imports should be tariffed to the point that it would be profitable to make things in the US. I get tight jawed whenever I read about someone going to WallMart to buy a bike. I would not buy anything there. It's companies like that, selling the cheapest cra* possible, that have made people forget that Made In the USA stands for quality.
 
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gone_fishin

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yeah, society blames corporate america for selling out, but they sold out too.

i have to admit that without the happy-time we wouldn't be here talking, tho...so politically, board-wise, i have to pander to the population while we figure out which is the best way to point the herd.

i do hope you guys realize my intent is to build a think-tank that works? i told myself to quickly pick 3 randoms from my many choices, you 3 popped to the top, honestly, rif was a given, i knew i wanted guys who'd feel the same way....mike, to answer your plea for sanity...far as i know, rif's the only "hero" we got going right now, hence the password. coinkydinkly he's on a whizzer.
 
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MotorbikeMike

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Point by point discussion

Hi Augi, and Alaska, I agree that things are a mess, and at best we can only accomplish a little.

BUT this whole Hobby/Form of Transportation has taken a rather ugly turn to cheapness, that we never had in the early days of this MotorBicycle craze. I do wish for an affordable solution, and I think it is possible, but I suspect, that we will have to forfit the "motorcycle Look" of the engine, on the lower levels.

There are a bunch of hot little 50cc motorcycle type engines in Europe, but geeze Guys! If you think a Whizzer is pricey, look at MotoMorini, and some of the others!

I'm not fond of Friction Drives, as they eat tires, and thier own drive rollers.

I think it is Golden Eagle who uses the wierd kevlar toothed belt? May work fine, but I do not want to commit the owners/riders to be stuck with a special belt.

Bicycle chain works fine, but if we use a stationary type engine, there will be no clutch and we would either have to use a centrifigal, or a CVT.

I'm thinking that a fractional HP v-belt, like the Whizzer uses, offers using the belt as a clutch, and does not incur the expense of CVT, nor the effiency loss (and eventual replacement) of the centrifigal unit.

As I posted this thread, I have made a major mistake. What might that be? I have found, and did not adjust for, the fact that most people will read much, and then answer only a point or two. Therefore, I guess it is up to me to break down, one point at a time.

IF it were possible to build a belt-drive OR a chain final, belt clutch primary, what engine would you-all choose?

Additionally, after you answer that question, then please choose another point to discuss?

BTW who is Roland?

Thanks
Mike
 
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Alaskavan

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Before I found this forum (which was after getting my Staton friction), the name "Whizzer", was something vague that I'd heard somewhere. Frankly, I thought they were no longer produced. I am still just learning about them (and wish to learn more). I'd guess that a lot of the participants at MBc don't believe they can afford one, (I have no idea of the price). So, how do you try to move people in a possitive direction? Exposure to the product is probably the most effective way (assuming that the quality is evident) (and I do, though I have never seen one in person). Stress reliability.
For myself, I am not particular about the "Retro Look". I want something effective, reliable, and as much as possible, Made in the USA. So, do you sell Whizzer engines Mike? Perhaps you could give me details, either here or in a PM? It's late, my mind is wandering, I'd better think about sleep.
 
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gone_fishin

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we have lots of time to read and answer...this is only the get acquainted stage...

to me, this point is about happy-time-class motoredbikes: what engine, currently available, would be the best to "present" as a viable alternative to the chinese happy-time? i'll think on that, research and give my best guess. at the moment i'm happy to see the honda-50 (and the copy for the cheapos) because it means we DO have time. i'm very interested in where your thoughts might be as to engine in the >50 class. i'm not trying to steer you away from whizzer...rif and you will be indoctrinating us to those options as time goes on.

roland is owner of spookytoothcycles, he's announced the development of a usa-made gearbox. more on the open forumabout that.
 
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gone_fishin

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yes, the next point...is a budget-but sturdy production torque-converter a doable thing or am i just blowing smoke?
 
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