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Laws in Daytona florida says our bikes are okay

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Hey look at this that I found on the internet.

CODE OF ORDINANCES
City of
DAYTONA BEACH, FLORIDA

Codified through
Ord. No. 07-184, adopted May 16, 2007.
(Supplement No. 23)


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Chapter 94 TRAFFIC AND MOTOR VEHICLES*

ARTICLE I. IN GENERAL

Sec. 94-1. Definitions.
The definitions in this section will be used in addition to those enumerated in section 1-2. The following words, terms and phrases, when used in this chapter, shall have the meanings ascribed to them in this section, except where the context clearly indicates a different meaning:
Bicycle means any device propelled by human power or any moped propelled by pedal-activated helper motor not to exceed 1 1/2 bhp (break horse-power) upon which any person may ride, having two tandem wheels, either of which is 20 inches or more in diameter, and including any device generally recognized as a bicycle though equipped with two front or two rear wheels.
Vehicle means any device in, upon, or by which any person or property is or may be transported or drawn upon a highway, except devices moved by human power or used exclusively upon stationary rails or tracks or bicycles or mopeds.
(Code 1970, Sec. 45-4)

Municode.com is a good web page to go to see if you can ride it because of a city ordinance just what I was looking for
 
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sangesf

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Hey look at this that I found on the internet.

CODE OF ORDINANCES
City of
DAYTONA BEACH, FLORIDA

Codified through
Ord. No. 07-184, adopted May 16, 2007.
(Supplement No. 23)


This publication is up to date as indicated by the banner above. No additional ordinances have been submitted for interim display via our NOW service (New Ordinances On the Web). For more information about this service, please visit: http://www.municode.com/services/now.asp

Chapter 94 TRAFFIC AND MOTOR VEHICLES*

ARTICLE I. IN GENERAL

Sec. 94-1. Definitions.
The definitions in this section will be used in addition to those enumerated in section 1-2. The following words, terms and phrases, when used in this chapter, shall have the meanings ascribed to them in this section, except where the context clearly indicates a different meaning:
Bicycle means any device propelled by human power or any moped propelled by pedal-activated helper motor not to exceed 1 1/2 bhp (break horse-power) upon which any person may ride, having two tandem wheels, either of which is 20 inches or more in diameter, and including any device generally recognized as a bicycle though equipped with two front or two rear wheels.
Vehicle means any device in, upon, or by which any person or property is or may be transported or drawn upon a highway, except devices moved by human power or used exclusively upon stationary rails or tracks or bicycles or mopeds.
(Code 1970, Sec. 45-4)

Municode.com is a good web page to go to see if you can ride it because of a city ordinance just what I was looking for
Just make sure that it is a PEDAL-ACTIVATED helper motor.
(FYI... There is no such thing as a Gas Powered Pedelec{pedal activated motor} as far as I have seen.)
 
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mabman

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If you can pedal enough to bump start the motor then it is pedal activated.
 

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Even if you do start it by hand, you still have to pedal it to get rolling without putting stress on the clutch, and further yet, some areas or terrain, it's better to pedal anyway.

If it has pedals, and you use them, it's pedal assist.
 

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Even if you do start it by hand, you still have to pedal it to get rolling without putting stress on the clutch, and further yet, some areas or terrain, it's better to pedal anyway.

If it has pedals, and you use them, it's pedal assist.
Forget about a clutch... Has NOTHING to do with it. If you have a clutch, it's a moped (but NOT a bicycle as they say) because in order for it to be a bicycle it has to be....
Pedal - activated motor.
Not pedal assisted...

Here's a definition...
Motors come in two types: pedal activated (or pedalecs, as they're called) and power on demand.

Pedal activated is just what it sounds like. You have to be pedaling for the bike to go. The power assist allows cyclists to go about 50% farther with the same amount of effort.

The other motor is called power on demand. You may also see it called throttle activated or gear activated.
So a pedal activated motor means, you have to be pedaling for the bicycle to move... The second you start using a throttle, it's power on demand.
 
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If you have a clutch, it's a moped (but NOT a bicycle as they say)
Really, a clutch makes a bike a moped? It's stated nowhere. Where do you get this information? Why interpret the law and bend it to fit your argument?

Are you out to prove something sangesf?

Are you so upset by your encounter of the law and jealous of others, that you are trying to stop everyone in FL from using gas-efficient engines? I've had encounters with the law myself, when I had my valid license BTW, and I'm not out to stop anyone from riding. I encourage riding MB's so it will be more accepted and so Police don't harass folks out riding out of pure necessity.

Why are you pushing the drivers license thing so hard? You know there's people out there riding the majority of their miles because they are LOOKING FOR A JOB in order to get a license, and trying to keep people from riding is not helping anyone to get a license! It also does not help the atmosphere of MBC whatsoever.
 
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sangesf

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Really, a clutch makes a bike a moped? It's stated nowhere. Where do you get this information? Why interpret the law and bend it to fit your argument?

Ok, let's get some things straight....

1.) You pulled the ONE part of my entire argument where is miss spoke to make your argument...???, In other words, if you're using a clutch to control the motor, then you are obviously NOT using a PEDAL ACTIVATED MOTOR.. Unless you can show me a (normally used) Pedal activated AND Clutch activated motor.

Are you out to prove something sangesf?
2.) Yes I am. Proving that when you add a gas motor to a bicycle, it turns it into a moped for State Driver Licensing purposes.
I've been using Public Transportation and Electric Bicycles for OVER A DECADE! So by that, I mean, you can do it with electric!


Are you so upset by your encounter of the law and jealous of others, that you are trying to stop everyone in FL from using gas-efficient engines? I've had encounters with the law myself, when I had my valid license BTW, and I'm not out to stop anyone from riding. I encourage riding MB's so it will be more accepted and so Police don't harass folks out riding out of pure necessity.
3.) Am I upset? No.
Am I jealous? Yes
(But you have to understand, that's not because OF the others, its MY fault)
Am i trying to STOP everyone in FL from using a gas engine? NO
I'm not trying to stop anyone from using a Motorized Bicycle. As long as people are aware that unless it's an ELECTRIC motor, it's a Moped and you need a license. Use a gas-efficient engine, ABSOLUTELY, but please use it legally. Of course, it wouldn't matter if you've had encounters with the law, when you had your valid DL, when you're legal, you're legal! If you want to encourage it be more accepted, HELP CHANGE THE LAW the LEGAL way. Don't tell people that they are doing something legal, when they are definitely NOT!

Why are you pushing the drivers license thing so hard? You know there's people out there riding the majority of their miles because they are LOOKING FOR A JOB in order to get a license, and trying to keep people from riding is not helping anyone to get a license! It also does not help the atmosphere of MBC whatsoever.
4.) I'm pushing for being legal... sorry if that offends you (or you think "it doesn't help the atmosphere of MBC whatsoever") but sorry, that's MY opinion. Just like everyone else, I lost my license FOR A REASON.. Guess what that reason was.... Surprise!! FOR BREAKING THE LAW! I've done something wrong and now I have to pay for it! (Whether I believe I should or shouldn't doesn't matter)
I'm also curious as to how you think using an electric bicycle would stop someone from looking for or getting a job? I travel 3 miles to the train station, 30 mins on the train and 2 miles to work. (Takes about 45 mins for a 30 mile trip to work)

In case you didn't know, these days, costing from $600 to $1000, you can get a LiFePO4 Battery, and a 500w Electric Motor for a Bicycle that will do 20 to 30 mph, that will travel between 20 and 30 miles and makes (almost) NO noise and it's STILL LEGAL!!! (Speaking for Florida)
Not to mention the fact, that not only is it ZERO emissions, but it's CHEAPER than gas! You can ALSO use it to travel to the Train/Bus Station, PUT IT ON THE TRAIN OR BUS, get from the train/bus to work.


I should ask YOU, why are you encouraging people to break the law?

My .02.
 
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no offence but i think if sang didnt lose his or her DL then they would never have joined this forum or even considered riding an MB
 

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no offence but i think if sang didnt lose his or her DL then they would never have joined this forum or even considered riding an MB
No offense taken. (Unlike the other guy, he's taking everything personal.)

You're probably right about me joining this forum because of My DL and my MB, but then again... I DO currently ride an (electric powered) Motorized Bike and I DID lose my License. (No one else's fault but MY OWN!)
Just because it's electric, doesn't mean it's any less motorized, nor do I think anyone thinks any less of me because it's not gas, nor should I.

Cause and Effect dude....
If I were driving around in a Lamborghini because I had millions of dollars in the bank, I would probably join a Lamborghini forum. And then one might say...

"If sang didn't have millions of dollars in the bank, he would never have joined this forum or even considered driving a Lamborghini"

Point Taken?

Oh and FYI, just so everyone knows... I think his idea about the bike and push-trailer is pretty f'in cool!
 
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Ok, let's get some things straight....

1.) You pulled the ONE part of my entire argument where is miss spoke to make your argument...???, In other words, if you're using a clutch to control the motor, then you are obviously NOT using a PEDAL ACTIVATED MOTOR.. Unless you can show me a (normally used) Pedal activated AND Clutch activated motor.
VERY VERY EASY.
ANY HT 2-stroke engine kit, the engine is activated by turning the pedals to start the engine when you release the clutch. Also, the throttle controls the engine, not the clutch. The clutch controls the engagement of the engine to the chain, and is part of the drivetrain. The clutch also allows you to pedal the bicycle WITHOUT starting the engine. Again, the clutch does NOT make it a Moped! You obviously do not know anything technically about these gas bicycles to make such a blind statement.


sangesf said:
2.) Yes I am. Proving that when you add a gas motor to a bicycle, it turns it into a moped for State Driver Licensing purposes.
And you trying to prove this is not helping anyone here, but it's simply to prove your own individual cause because you lost your license. If you were out to help others, you would recommend proper ways to ride and avoid law problems, instead of just saying that they need a license, because you don't have one.


3.) Am I upset? No.
Am I jealous? Yes
(But you have to understand, that's not because OF the others, its MY fault)
Am i trying to STOP everyone in FL from using a gas engine? NO
I'm not trying to stop anyone from using a Motorized Bicycle.
Why be jealous? Jealousy is a negative and destructive emotion that does no good. Just accept what happened to you, as I have had to do, and move on with life. I don't bother people about what they ride because I got pulled over (wrongly BTW). I got smart, decided to keep riding, and changed the look of my ride, and talked in person to 10 different Police Officers, and NOT ONE can legally do anything about my trailer, but some sure tried, and failed EVERY TIME. Many officers LIKED my ride and complemented it! Now I've not been bothered by ANY MORE POLICE. Think about it.


]4.) I'm pushing for being legal... sorry if that offends you (or you think "it doesn't help the atmosphere of MBC whatsoever") but sorry, that's MY opinion. Just like everyone else, I lost my license FOR A REASON.. Guess what that reason was.... Surprise!! FOR BREAKING THE LAW! I've done something wrong and now I have to pay for it! (Whether I believe I should or shouldn't doesn't matter)
I'm also curious as to how you think using an electric bicycle would stop someone from looking for or getting a job? I travel 3 miles to the train station, 20 mins on the train and 2 miles to work. (Takes about 45 mins)

In case you didn't know, these days, costing from $600 to $1000, you can get a LiFePO4 Battery, and a 500w Electric Motor for a Bicycle that will do 20 to 30 mph, that will travel between 20 and 30 miles and makes (almost) NO noise and it's STILL LEGAL!!! (Speaking for Florida)
Not to mention the fact, that not only is it ZERO emissions, but it's CHEAPER than gas! You can ALSO use it to travel to the Train/Bus Station, PUT IT ON THE TRAIN OR BUS, get from the train/bus to work.
Push for it being legal by helping to change the laws so no licensing of any kind is required for Mopeds or supposedly bicycles.

And how does electric make it hard to find a job???..........$600-$1000 dollars for a LiFePO4 Lithium battery, and several hundred more for the bike and motor, and ONLY 30 miles range one way, and you have to take a train? You gotta be kidding. I live 12 miles away from the city limits, it's a BIG city, and one round trip in town, and the battery would be dead before I got anywhere near home! If I had the $$$ for THAT, by the time I spent that much, I could have my license AND my car fixed, with money left over! I wanted electric at first, but I had to settle for gas due to COST! I can go 100miles on 2.00 of gas! THAT'S WHY most don't do electric!


I should ask YOU, why are you encouraging people to break the law?
I'm not. I'm encouraging people to Beat The System of total control. That is legal.
 
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