Legislative control freaks in Oregon

[bamabikeguy]

The Bent is loaded on the bike rack, headed to the brother's house, his son is on 12 day leave...about to be deployed in the Spring.

But I scrounged up a copy of a Molly Ivins October 1990 article, re: Gulf War I, where we didn't learn to change anything, EXCEPT letting these legislators stifle the answers:

There are two kinds of bottom line in this deal; one is that war costs he*l's own money. Sooner rather than later, it will be much, much cheaper for us to conserve energy than to kill tens of thousands of people.

The second is what we put on the tombstones when they start shipping the bodies home: HE DIED TO KEEP OIL AT $17 A BARREL? MAKING THE WORLD SAFE FOR FEUDAL ISLAMIC FIEFDOMS doesn't have much of a ring to it. Everyone who has ever lost someone he or she loved in a war has an obligation to talk back to these chest-thumping j*ckas*es who are so anxious to get other people's sons killed.

Once you subpeona your legislators to traffic court, you could DEMAND to see the breakdown of their political contributions received.

A yellow hi-lighter of oil/energy/insurance/legal industries would put the question in the minds of jurors "who does this jac*a*s really represent?"


For inspiration, watch "Animal House", the double double secret probation hearings, where they march out whistling the "Colonel Bogey March".

That's the spirit, legislators are low low low on the public opinion polls, so keep that in mind.

Ho ho ho, and all that tollyrot !

 

[srdavo]

It's true, my area roads are so bad, unless I weld the light to my forehead, there is no way to make it reliable.

Gives new meaning to headlights.

Come on Oregon riders....Sound Off ! !

 

[mabman]

Great input and insight Bama Guy. I am keeping a file of all the law issues that I read about and will at some point try and compile them.

And Upshifter, I agree that politicians are 95% crooks but that is what we are saddled with. So know your enemy right?

BO has the populace in a stranglehold, I even just saw a headline on MSN that "gas prices drop on Christmas eve", and have bullied the market thusly for years. Well everyone has their breaking point and generally the folks on this board have reached theirs sooner than most. Cause to quote a phrase from a book "We are mad as **** and not going to take it anymore". And rather than waiting for a solution are becoming the solution.

Heck, even Santa rides a MAB!

 

[ZnsaneRyder]

You folks mention, that over the years, more and more rules are being made and we lose more freedoms every year...........doesn't that logically make sense that there is an end goal "THEY" are working towards, which has been in the works for years...........and eventually we would lose ALL freedoms so "THEY" would have total control..........

I edited this post and removed the weblink, because with a little research on youtube or google will fill in the blanks much easier when you seek for yourself.

 

[upshifter]

I'd like to know the federal law to which this dealer refers? I would use it in court if it became necessary.

"Q- What is meant by street legal; and is this bike street legal?
A- Street legal defines a vehicle that is legally allowed to travel on the streets. This motorized bicycle kit is street legal in all states. Some states require license and registration for a factory made moped, but a customized bicycle is considered pedal assist by federal law. "


http://www.bikemotorkit.com/documents/home.html

 

[upshifter]

Znsaneryder, that's right. The goal is one world socialist government where everyone is herded around like sheep. Their motto is, "From those according to their ability; to those according to their need."

When I was a kid we lived in a tent along the river bank. I didn't have much, but I was free. I would never trade my freedom for anything, and I mean anything.

The control-freaks will promise you bread for your freedom, but deliver neither bread nor freedom. A pox on them.

I saw a bumper sticker that says it all, "I'll keep my freedom, guns, and money; you can keep the "Change".

 

[bamabikeguy]

That dealer is being devious with the facts, not mentioning the cc's and specifically, clicking around, he never gets specific about the engine.

Q- Is the engine stamped or marked with the engine size?
A- There are no stamps or marking on the engine.

We all know what it looks like, but an impulse buyer would not.

Californians have a second EPA hurdle to leap, and there is no mention of that in his "all 50 state" claim.

 

[Mountainman]

bottom line seems to be -- ride that THING

I'd like to know the federal law to which this dealer refers? I would use it in court if it became necessary.

"Q- What is meant by street legal; and is this bike street legal?
A- Street legal defines a vehicle that is legally allowed to travel on the streets. This motorized bicycle kit is street legal in all states. Some states require license and registration for a factory made moped, but a customized bicycle is considered pedal assist by federal law. "
http://www.bikemotorkit.com/documents/home.html

found an interesting THING here in Calif
I am not much of a computer guy
but -- online to a couple of traffic experts
I asked in an e-mail if I could ride my 1.6 hp motor bike without drivers license
both sent me back an e-mail stating -- yes I can ride
after studing the state laws more
I think that they are wrong
but -- I carry with me their e-mails stating it's ok to ride that THING
worth a try
here there seems to be a slight grey area
mostly because it is misunderstood
even by the pooolice at times it seems

I went and read some of those Fed laws a while back
it would be nice to cut and paste the parts we like
leaving out the rest --- lights, horn ect ect ect

bottom line seems to be -- ride that THING

 

[SimpleSimon]

The "federal law" typically referenced has been discussed at length here, and it is basically the Dept of Commerce administrative rules which define what constitutes a "motor assisted bicycle" for purposes of COMMERCE ONLY!

That law has exactly zero bearing on the individual states motor vehicle codes, traffic regulations, equipment requirements/limitations, etc. Trying to claim that federal law says a motor assisted bicycle is thus and such, when the state code in the jurisdiction in which you are ticketed says anything different or more restrictive is a short and rocky road to fines and/or consfication.

Vehicle definitions for purpose of operation in any state, county, or municipality are matters of statutory code where you are riding. Some states allow county/municipal restrictions/requirements in addition to state law, some don't.

 

[upshifter]

Well, if I see the law first, I'll hit the kill button and start pedaling like crazy hoping that they don't see the engine.