Miracle lubricant??

Discussion in 'Spare Parts, Tools & Product Developement' started by bamabikeguy, Sep 21, 2007.

  1. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member

    On that DailyKos diary written last week, one of the ladies made an intriguing comment, since we are trying to "lighten our pollution footprint", I'll post it here, hope the link works.


  2. Alaskavan

    Alaskavan Guest

    Interesting. Now someone will have to be a guinepig.
  3. rcjunkie

    rcjunkie Guest

    There's a sucker born every minute. If a fuel additive would improve fuel economy, don't you think the automakers would be using it? Auto makers spend a ton of $$ to meet their CAFE standards.
  4. Alaskavan

    Alaskavan Guest

    I don't think that car makers spend as much on CAFE standards as they do on giving you GPS, On Star, DVD players and cup warmers. I would bet that the same people who sit on the board of directors for GM also sit on the board of BP. (I know this is a generalization, but you get my drift?)
  5. Jim H

    Jim H Guest

    Got it and concur Alaska!
  6. rcjunkie

    rcjunkie Guest

    Nope, I don't get your drift. Your argument is typical anti-big business spew and your "drift" is simplistic. I should take you up on your bet about the board of directors for GM and BP; you are wrong.

    The General Motors Board of Directors
    Percy N. Barnevik
    Retired Chairman,
    AstraZeneca PLC
    Director since 1996

    Erskine B. Bowles
    The University of North Carolina
    Director since 2005

    John H. Bryan
    Retired Chairman
    and Chief Executive Officer,
    Sara Lee Corporation
    Director since 1993

    Armando M. Codina
    and Chief Executive Officer,
    Flagler Development Group
    Director since 2002

    Erroll B. Davis, Jr.
    University System of Georgia
    Director since 2007

    George M.C. Fisher
    Retired Chairman
    and Chief Executive Officer,
    Eastman Kodak Company
    Director since 1996

    Karen Katen
    Pfizer Foundation,
    Retired Vice Chairman,
    Pfizer Inc and Retired President,
    Pfizer Human Health,
    Director since 1997
    Kent Kresa
    Chairman Emeritus,
    Northrop Grumman Corporation
    Director since 2003

    Ellen J. Kullman
    Executive Vice President,
    DuPont Safety & Protection;
    DuPont Coatings & Color Technologies;
    Marketing & Sales; Safety and Sustainability,
    E.I. du Pont de Nemours and Company
    Director since 2004

    Philip A. Laskawy
    Retired Chairman
    and Chief Executive Officer,
    Ernst & Young
    Director since 2003

    Kathryn V. Marinello
    and Chief Executive Officer,
    Ceridian Corporation
    Director since 2007

    Eckhard Pfeiffer
    Retired President
    and Chief Executive Officer,
    Compaq Computer Corporation
    Director since 1996

    G. Richard Wagoner, Jr.
    & Chief Executive Officer,
    General Motors Corporation
    Director since 1998

    Tony Hayward
    Group Chief Executive

    Member of the BP board of directors, head of the BP executive management team.

    David Allen
    Group Chief of Staff

    Iain Conn
    Chief Executive, Refining and Marketing

    Byron Grote
    Chief Financial Officer

    Andy Inglis
    Chief Executive, Exploration and Production
  7. rcjunkie

    rcjunkie Guest

    Oh, do we really need more pollution? This additive contains sulfur which is not only harmful to the environment but can damage emission equipment on newer vehicles.

    The same folks who bash big business are stupid enough to give their money to businesses created soley to take advantage of the uniformed with a fraudulent product.

    I'm done.
  8. rcjunkie

    rcjunkie Guest

    As for do gooders who think you are saving the planet by running a motored bike, you are probably creating more pollution even with burning less fuel:

    According to U.S. EPA comparisons of 4-cycle and 2-cycle recreational vehicles, a 2-cycle engine emits 30 times more hydrocarbons (benzene, butadiene and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons) and 40 times the particulate matter as does the more efficient 4-cycle engine.

    Other hydrocarbons disproportionately emitted by 2-cycle engines react with sunlight to form smog, particularly in hot, sunny weather. Smog irritates the respiratory system and can have serious health effects on people with lung disease or susceptibility to asthma. Breathing smog can cause permanent lung damage to children.

    The United States Environmental Protection Agency has previously written rules that phase out 2-cycle engines in lawnmowers and that set emission standards for most other off-road engines. These rules are being phased in over the next several years.

    Recently the U.S. EPA proposed new rules for 2-cycle engines in snowmobiles, all terrain vehicles and personal watercraft. These proposed rules are weak; they don’t set standards clean enough to require the phase-out of 2-cycle engines.

    According to the National Park Service, a 2-stroke snowmobile produces 300 times more hydrocarbons than driving an automobile.

    One hour on a typical snowmobile emits more air pollution than driving a modern car for a year.

    Studies show that a 2-stroke personal watercraft engine operating for seven hours produces the same amount of cancer-causing and smog-forming pollutants as an automobile being driven over 100,000 miles

    So, while our motorbikes do burn less fuel, they probably omit more pollution per mile than a car.
  9. Alaskavan

    Alaskavan Guest

    Hi RC,
    So, my argument is "spew" and my drift is "simplistic"? Let's see if I can respond without casting aspersions on your intellect and/or point of view.
    I will maintain my opinion of the incestuous nature of the powers behind major international corporations despite lack of concrete, irrefutable evidence of direct conflicts of interest (though I feel it could be argued that any major holdings in the stock market would constitute such conflict). I intended the "generalization" reference to apply to the "board of directors" comment.
    I appreciate the information about the sulfer content, and agree that such content should be avoided (sulfer build-up in old oil is the primary reason for the necessity of oil changes, not suspended particulates). Thank you for doing the research to provide that info.
    As for the "do gooders" reference, thank you for not automatically placing that label on me. I assure you that I am not. I don't ride my bike to save the planet. I ride for transportation and to have fun. Pure self interest. My opinion of the future of the planet (more specificaly, human life on it) is not optimistic, and I see no personal responsibility to try to save anyone. I think it's probably too late for that.
    Have a nice day.
  10. azbill

    azbill Active Member

    well put Van
    I agree on every point
  11. OldPete

    OldPete Guest

    Both you guys have very valid points. Thank you both.
    I'm just passing through myself and wish to see full acceptance of gasoline power assisted bicycles. When two strokes are made illegal we will still have 4 strokes and at that time bama will just buy different motors. :D The new Tanakas do have CATs in the stock mufflers BTW.

    More on topic. The additive package in crankcase oils has really changed over the last 20 years in an effort to reduce pollution. So additives from a third party do not suprise me one little bit.
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  12. Alaskavan

    Alaskavan Guest

    It would be wonderful if someone came up with a product that would produce greatly improved mileage, and/or performance. I do have to admit that over all the years, all the claims of such have been proven to be false. I will continue to hope.
    Thank you RC for reminding me that though Santayana's most noted saying is, "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.", one of my favorites has always been, "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and it is shameful to surrender it too soon or to the first comer."
  13. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member

    Boy, bring a volunteer/amateur opinion over from dKos sure stirs up the blood pressure, don't it?

    Point is, she isn't making a dime off the product, sounds like she did the guinea pig dealio, and looks to be a 20-30% improvement in her auto's performance.

    When the OPEC gas crunch hit, I bought a box of cattle magnets, to tape on both sides of the fuel line. It worked for some reason, then after a month, it failed. Always was a mystery, and my "money back" guarantee meant buying back all those magnets, two of which are STILL following me around, in my "junk drawer", gathering up all stray nails and washers.

    Anyway, I'll probably order some myself, just doesn't sound like a gimmick, C-SPAN is pretty neutral and reliable.