Mitsubishi TLE43 2-Cycle Engine Low Price -

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  1. Hive

    Hive Guest

    Thought this might be of interest...

    The very nifty Mitsubishi engine (as in, wish I had one) current offer from Viza might be of interest to a few of our members.

    Also noticed it was here: as well.

    Will post separate. offering Mitsubishi TLE43 Motor for $188. plus shipping from Arizona.
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  2. kenspice

    kenspice Guest

    Good price, I bought one sometime back. It came without a gas tank which was ok because I made a 1 gal. tank and bracket for it. I use my R/S 035 for the street and the tle 43 for the mountain trails. I baby my stuff so I don't need the big spokes and extra junk. It takes just a few minutes to switch engines. Works fine for me.
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  3. OldPete

    OldPete Guest

    Good price on a strong, quiet motor. It does run 40 to 1 vs Tanaka's 50 to 1.
    They only have 1900 in stock. :D
  4. loquin

    loquin Active Member

    Pete - the owners manual I located said 50:1 for the TL* engines
  5. OldPete

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  6. kerf

    kerf Guest

    I seem to recall the manual saying 50 to 1 but David Staton said 40 to 1 and thats all I've ever run.
  7. kenspice

    kenspice Guest

    I've digested what info I could from all of these posts and am wondering if a 45/1 ratio might be the best? Good lubrication but not enough to gum up the works? Does avg. speed or brand make a difference? How about synthetic? I hear the latest Tanaka purple stuff covers it all but any comments on that? Ken
  8. kerf

    kerf Guest

    The people selling them recommend 40/1 and its never "gummed up the works".
    Do the break in with mineral based then switch to syn.
  9. Hive

    Hive Guest

    Fuel Oil Ratios


    Seems I read somewhere, cannot find it now, that the lube is not simply lube, but combines with the fuel to create a coating and the ratio is somewhat important in that regard. The piece might have also suggested there was a difference between synthetic and "natural" lubes, but cannot recall what it said.

    I do know after I read it, I went with the Tanaka stuff and was thinking of using Amzoil at some point.

    If my old Lawn Boy is any measure, it makes no difference what you use or how it is stored (gas), but then I only run it for about 20 minutes or so mowing grass and picking up leaves. I add a bit of Sea-foam in the carb in spring and it is good for season.

    Does that apply to modern 2-cycle engines? Maybe, but I do not wish to chance it with the bike motor, seeing I might be a ways from home when it blows...

    If I locate the page, will put it here. Was onthe WWW am sure.
  10. kenspice

    kenspice Guest

    Loquin's post has two pdf forms on it. One is an owner's manual that for some reason my computer will not download. The other is from the engineers at Mitsubishi Heavy Industries who developed the "Stratified Scavenging System" that allowed the TLE 26cc up to but not including the TLE 43 to be CARB authorized. I believe the 43 was built to the same spec.s and was later CARB authorized but I am not sure about that. The form mentions the TLE 43 and shows a picture of it as one of the test engines. They used 50/1 ratio mix but do not state whether it was mineral or synthetic. I bought mine from Viza but could not get an answer as to where they got their info. Kirf and Pete say 40. The manufacturer and developing engineers say 50. Guess I'll use the latest Tanaka oil at 45/1. The Chinese say this is the year of the rat and the Japanese say I was born in the month of the rat(Feb.). Never argue with a conered old, oil-soaked dirty rat on a motored bicycle. Unless you are a great BIG cat!
  11. OldPete

    OldPete Guest

    This thread is just conversation for me.
    If I did have a loose $188 one of these 43cc Mit engines might find a home.
    That said; back intheday there were synthetic oils offered that could be mixed 100 to1.
    Do remember, as oil content is decreased, fuel ratio is increase if ever so slightly.

    No one I knew ran 100 to 1 brand oil at that ratio, we all ran it at 50 to 1 in our Suzi and Yamadog dirt bikes.
  12. Hive

    Hive Guest

    The Rat

    Can play all the night, when the house cat's a kitten. Old Norse.

    Had same trouble with downloading the manuals.

    I guess a bit rich is not different than various mix errors and more is better in long-run.

    Safe is best.
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  13. kerf

    kerf Guest

    DDM has a recommended oil ratio for all their engines and also a chart showing the max ratio for syn. Some engines can be run with a leaner oil mix but others can't. Just for what it's worth.

    Scroll down about 1/4 page to chart titled " How do I mix fuel for my Go-Ped?"
  14. Hive

    Hive Guest

    TLE43 Engine

    Was going to buy one but am holding back until I can see specs. Seems it might be a good investment for future use.

    Need to know weight, length, width and height and where fuel cell attaches - apparently fuel cell is sold as accessory?

    Anyone who can supply even a current owner who can offer guess-t-i-mate information is welcome to do so; but judging from what I noted here, - I will not hold my breath.

    Requested specs; will post if I receive positive response.
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  15. loquin

    loquin Active Member

    The first half of the manual is in Japanese. Possibly your copy of adobe doesn't have the right font installed.

    When I get the chance, I'll print the manual, scan it, then convert the English portion to PDF using just English font.

    Meanwhile, see if it downloads properly from here

    The report documented the experiments done using the 26CC engine as a test platform. After it was established that their stratified scavenging idea was feasible, they then developed the TLE series of engines. At the time the report was written (Oct. 2001,) all the engines except the TLE-43 had already been certified; and the TLE43 was in the process of certification. It shows up as approved in the 2002 CARB registry database, but at the time, it was probably a provisional approval; the CO and particulate matter data wasn't certified yet. However, all the other TLE engines did have all the report data, and all were certified. It took several years for all the test data to get certified. I would guess that CARB required them to retest the 43cc engine for some reason. Maybe all the "i's" weren't dotted.
    LOL. I played defensive tackle in college - does that count???

    The report states 50:1, as does the manual. When I bought the engine from Dave Stanton, he recommended 40:1 for the first thousand miles or so, then 50:1.
  16. loquin

    loquin Active Member

    fuel cell? You mean fuel tank? It comes with a fuel tank. 30 ounces or so. Ref the pic below. You can use an external tank I just bought a 96 oz. tank from Stanton. The TLE43 uses two fuel lines - one suction line and one return line. The lines attach to the bottom of the carb, just above the fill neck on the fuel tank in the photo.

    As far as dimensions, take a look at the first PDF file in the link above (the engineering report) - Table 3 is specs for the TLE models.

    EDIT: MY engine came with a gas tank. However, it LOOKS like the motor that VIZA is selling does NOT have a tank. (The're selling them for use on a scooter, after all...) I copied VIZA's TLE33 photo (Which is MUCH clearer than their TLE43 photo) & added it to the existing engine photo; it's pretty clear that VIZA just removed the standard tank, which gives them a more compact engine package.

    You can order a tank from them separately, or from someone else, if you want a larger than normal tank.

    Attached Files:

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  17. Hive

    Hive Guest

    Engine - Gas Oil

    It occurred to me that the gas - oil ratio is likely 50:1 if they needed to attain acceptable tier rating.

    As to removal of gas tank, I never thought about that, thanks.

    Wonder if they will include?

    Am also guessing that the engine can be flipped like Tanakas so tank (cell) is vertical.
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  18. loquin

    loquin Active Member

    Yes - I thought about the 50:1 ratio to meet emissions as well. VIZA's site mentions 40:1 extended life... (mix 40:1 for extended life?) But, if they state 50:1 in the manual, it would have to be able to be run at that ratio for at least the warranty period.

    Since VIZA bought a couple of thousand of these engines at one time, they probably bought 'em without tanks, (to save a couple of bucks each.) You could ask them if they have the original fuel tanks that came with the engine stashed away...

    as far as vertical mount - I believe so - the fill neck is angled to support it. And, as 2-strokes, they are run in all positions. The design was intended for use with portable lawn equipment. (Leaf blowers/string trimmers, etc.) If you use a separate tank, engine orientation wouldn't matter.
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  19. MtnGoat

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    There's quite a technical discussion of gas/oil ratios etc. in a thread started by Pablo you might find topical. Probably a good place to pose your questions on the subject as well.

    Fuel oil premix chat
  20. gone_fishin

    gone_fishin Guest