My Dream Of Owning MB Went Bad - Part II

Discussion in 'Dealer Reviews' started by OCLandspeeder, Aug 24, 2009.

  1. OCLandspeeder

    OCLandspeeder Member

  2. Busaman

    Busaman New Member

    Man, what a bummer. You seemed to have kept your composure well. I would have been like that tire commercial where the old lady throws the tire through the window to return it. Good companies are built on a solid customer service, they wont last long if this is their standard.
  3. icyuod2

    icyuod2 Member

    when the time comes to send it back. may i suggest a $100 worth of duct tape?

    individually wrap every nut, bolt and part in 3 or 4 roles . :idea:
    ya don't want anymore of it getting damaged on the ride home. :devilish:
    a few layers of cinder blocks in the bottom of the 16 boxes you'll need to send the bike home, should keep the boxes upright.:devilish:

  4. OCLandspeeder

    OCLandspeeder Member

    Thanks but it is already packed in better shape than when I got it. However, after 4 weeks of waiting for a response, I don't believe Santa Cruz Green Motors wants the MB back at all.

    Not really sure what to do at this point. Sell it?
  5. clay

    clay Member

    fix it and ride it
  6. Will Snow

    Will Snow Member

    I would agree with Clay. My suggestion is to let things cool down,wait a good period of time to be sure Santa Cruz is not going to ask for the bike, when you have the time, go to work on it. As you know they are simple, parts are cheap and can be fun. I don't know how long you can be exspected to wait and keep storing it at your place. Maybe if you send a email giving them notice to pickup within 30 days or the bike will no longer be available to them.???? I shouldn't think you would be exspected to keep it in your storage until their jolly well ready.

    At any rate, there are some good motorized bicycles out their and if you are still interested, keep reading some of the postings on this forum, there is some good information.

    Sorry things got off to a bad start for you.
  7. mlcorson

    mlcorson Member

    Send a certified letter asking for return instructions from them by certified letter within 30 days. Let them know, absent a response, the bike is forfeited. No need to get wordy, just ask for return instructions. Now that you have the money, you're in control. Most states have consumer trade laws that will back you up.
    31st day? Sell it.
  8. OCLandspeeder

    OCLandspeeder Member

    SC Green Motors finally came to their senses and sent me a return label to ship the MB back. They waited until near the 30 days when the case was settled. So when Fedex comes and picks up the package this week, it would be the end of this ordeal and I will wash my hands of it.

    The good thing is, I learned so much about these MB's, going through my troubled one with a fine tooth comb. They really are quite simple. I think what would be awesome is to find a good, used, chromoly framed, high performance road bike with the 700c wheels and tires and mount one of these motors in it. The light weight bike would and efficient 700c wheel/tire combination will make one go real fast. And because of the better components, even the older ones, and the frame geometry, it will be better able to handle the higher speeds. I'm not sure we most people use Beach Cruiser frames and low quality comfort bikes to motorize. I get the feeling these are less suitable to the higher speeds. Just saying.....
  9. Scotchmo

    Scotchmo Member

    The 700c road bike could make a good fast motorized bicycle. Most of them are designed to maximize the efficiency of the human motor and reduce wind resistance. Comfort is secondary to low rolling resistance, reduced weight, and optimizing the rider position for increased muscle output. When you add a gas motor that puts out at least 4x what the average human can sustain, things change. With the gas motor, you rarely pedal. The small gains in reduced rolling resistance offered by the narrow tires are drowned out at the higher 30mph speeds. Under human power it is difficult to maintain 20mph over rough roads. With the gas motor, 30mph is possible under many road conditions. Even though you can theoretically go faster on a motorized 700c road bike, in reality that is not the case. The fatter tires of the cruiser make a big difference in ride quality at higher speeds over varying road surfaces. They can also last longer on a motorized bicycle. The 2.125 wide cruiser tires are about the maximum width that will easily work with the HT motors. I considered going with 1.75 wide tires to give a little more tolerance on chain clearance but was unwilling to give up any ride quality. Suspension also becomes more important at the higher speeds. I like the simplicity of solid forks, but I just installed a springer fork on my motorbike to take out some of the jolts. You will find that since you are not pedaling hard, you will want a more upright riding position. On my pedal road bike, I stay on the drops to fight the wind resistance and keep my speed up. On my motorized bike, I stay fairly upright since the motor is providing the “effort”. Knowing all this, you might still want to build the 700c bike for its particular properties. Oh, and we often choose low quality bikes because we are cheap, or we don’t want to hack up a good quality specimen. I have done a lot of cutting, welding, and modification that would be technically and psychologically difficult to do on a more exotic, higher quality bike. For me, it is about the process of building it and trying new things as much as having a usable motorbike.
    Last edited: Aug 29, 2009
  10. mlcorson

    mlcorson Member

    This is good advice. As an example, I have a cruiser style bike with a rack chain drive, 2.125 tires. Nice comfortable ride. Suspension forks? Wouldn't be without em. I just recently put a friction drive on a 700cx38 higher end Specialized hybrid. Sporty bike, handles great, However, the ride is really much rougher, and I wouldn't choose that bike for anything more than a short hop or joy ride. When you're under pure pedal power, it seems, you're body is more aligned with the frame to handle the jolts better. Under motor power, I don't feel as leveraged, or as well braced against the frame. I agree with you all around. If you like, jazz, a four finger pour of scotch and an occasional cigarette...we just might be brothers.
  11. Scotchmo

    Scotchmo Member

    Your body is more elevated when pedaling hard, so the seat is also less of a factor. I wouldn't put a skinny racing seat on a motorized bicycle that I intended to ride for any distance. - classic rock, Corona w/lime, fresh air. Maybe not brothers but we have motorbikes in common
  12. OCLandspeeder

    OCLandspeeder Member

    I'm only speaking academically of course.

    Knowing what I know about motorcycles and road bicycles and their rider interface, here is my 2 cents. A typical comfort/cruiser bike has most of the rider's weight on the seat. Thus, it is very important to have those fat tires to absorb the bumps at high speeds. This riding position is very similar to that of a cruiser type motorcycle. Cruiser motorcycles have large rear tires to help absorb those bumps at high speed.

    A road bicycle positions the rider to put more of his weight towards the front, and more on his legs. This lowers the CG, improves handling, aerdynamics, and puts the best leverage for pedalling power. This is similar to a sportbike type motorcycle. The forward riding position puts a lot more weight on the upper body and legs, thus lower CG, increasing aerodynamics, improving handling, etc. I think we agree on both points.

    What you're saying is that the lack of bump absorption will actually hinder the speed potential of the high performance Motorized 700c equipped Road bike. Thus, it would actually be less practical to take advantage of its higher speed potential. I think that may only be relevant depending on the rider and the road conditions.

    When I'm riding my road bike, I deal with a lot of hills so I am frequently going downhill. When doing so, I regularly hit 45+ mph with my hands in the drops and no pedalling. This position is good enough for me to absorb most bumps that come my way without them hurting. Keep in mind I ride in an area where most of the roads are very smooth and well maintained, so "bumps" to me is relative!

    So perhaps, under the right road conditions (mostly smooth), with a few modifications to the bike's riding position by using a higher stem and flat handlebar to ease the strain on the upper body, a Road Bicycle converted to a MB would have a significant increase in performance over the typical cruiser/comfort frame. It certainly won't win awards from comfort, but neither will sportbike type motorycles.

    Check this out:
  13. Scotchmo

    Scotchmo Member

    If your roads are smooth, build it. I think it could be a cool bike. The road conditions around here are more variable. If my roads were all as smooth as a racetrack, I would definitely go with narrow tires and lose the suspension. I run my seat lower than I would on a non-motorized bike since I do not care so much about pedaling efficiency. This improves the aerodynamics. A road bike with proper body positioning for pedaling may be less aerodynamic than a very low slung motorized cruiser. Instead of a higher stem, keep it as low as possible and combine that with a lowered seat. It may be harder to pedal, but it will reduce your frontal area and improve performance while motoring at high speeds.