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For decades there have been two types of Capacitive Discharge Ignitions (CDI's) for two stroke engines; analog and digital. Their purpose is to cause the ignition spark to happen at a certain amount of crankshaft degrees before the zero degrees of the pistons top most position in the cylinder. Above 7200 (more or less) rotations per minute (RPM) of the crankshaft the best engine performance has been with digital CDI's because an analog CDI retards the ignition too much. This page reveals a new type of analog CDI which has an ignition timing curve (see graph below) in between that of a digital CDI and an analog CDI which gives enough ignition advance at high RPM for better performance and lets the engine achieve higher rotational speeds. It uses only the voltage waveform from the stator coil as a timing reference, as opposed to those that use a voltage input separate from the stator coil.
Digital CDI’s can be programmed by the manufacturer for any ignition curve desired but the curve shown in the graph above is from a Suzuki RM 250cc at medium throttle position. It is a good example of what curve a digital CDI normally has. The analog CDI curve above is from a Kawasaki KDX 200cc which limits the engine speed to 9000 RPM. Below is another example showing how an analog CDI can only somewhat match a digital CDI between 5000 and 8000 RPM:
DESCRIPTION
This modified analog CDI has two main features;
1) It allows the owner the selection of different input resistance which affects the whole timing curve, and selection of different capacitance which affects the timing curve above 3500 RPM.
2) It causes the ignition to happen earlier at high engine RPM (more than 7200 RPM) than a standard analog CDI. It does this by activating a relay above 6000 RPM which changes the RC value in the retardation circuit to retard the timing less than it normally would.
Higher input resistance causes more advancement of the whole ignition curve, and higher capacitance causes more retardation of the ignition curve above 3500 (with the greatest change at higher RPM). This allows the owner the ability to adjust the ignition curve to be more correct for different engines and expansion chambers. Selection of different resistance and capacitance is done by moving the levers of the switches that are soldered to the circuit board. Input resistances available are 15 ohms, 16 ohms, and 17 ohms by different lever positions at switch labeled "SW1". Circuit capacitances available are 4.7 microfarad, 5.2 microfarad, and 5.7 microfarad by different lever positions at switch labeled SW2.
Here is the graph showing the changes in standard ignition curves for the different input resistances:
Here is the graph showing the changes in standard ignition curves for different circuit capacitances.
Why is 7000 RPM the engine speed above which the ignition timing needs to retard less? From 3500 to 7000 the fuel/air mixture gets mixed better as RPM increases due to turbulence. The more atomized the fuel droplets are due to turbulent mixing the quicker the whole mixture can burn. A slow burning mixture needs to be ignited earler (more advanced timing) so that the peak cylinder pressure can happen around 15 degrees after top dead center. A quick burning mixture needs to be ignited later. Above 7000 RPM fuel atomization improves very little with more RPM so the ignition curve needs to almost flatten out above 7000 RPM.
Is this detrimental at all to engines not ported for high RPM? No. You can buy this CDI if you think you may be modifying yours later to rev higher than 8000 RPM. But the old version is still available from JNMotors at a lower cost for those who doubt they will modify to that extreme.
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These will be available in a couple of weeks directly from me here in South America. Message me if you want one. Cost is $50 and you need a good high voltage coil to go with it.
Digital CDI’s can be programmed by the manufacturer for any ignition curve desired but the curve shown in the graph above is from a Suzuki RM 250cc at medium throttle position. It is a good example of what curve a digital CDI normally has. The analog CDI curve above is from a Kawasaki KDX 200cc which limits the engine speed to 9000 RPM. Below is another example showing how an analog CDI can only somewhat match a digital CDI between 5000 and 8000 RPM:
DESCRIPTION
This modified analog CDI has two main features;
1) It allows the owner the selection of different input resistance which affects the whole timing curve, and selection of different capacitance which affects the timing curve above 3500 RPM.
2) It causes the ignition to happen earlier at high engine RPM (more than 7200 RPM) than a standard analog CDI. It does this by activating a relay above 6000 RPM which changes the RC value in the retardation circuit to retard the timing less than it normally would.
Higher input resistance causes more advancement of the whole ignition curve, and higher capacitance causes more retardation of the ignition curve above 3500 (with the greatest change at higher RPM). This allows the owner the ability to adjust the ignition curve to be more correct for different engines and expansion chambers. Selection of different resistance and capacitance is done by moving the levers of the switches that are soldered to the circuit board. Input resistances available are 15 ohms, 16 ohms, and 17 ohms by different lever positions at switch labeled "SW1". Circuit capacitances available are 4.7 microfarad, 5.2 microfarad, and 5.7 microfarad by different lever positions at switch labeled SW2.
Here is the graph showing the changes in standard ignition curves for the different input resistances:
Here is the graph showing the changes in standard ignition curves for different circuit capacitances.
Why is 7000 RPM the engine speed above which the ignition timing needs to retard less? From 3500 to 7000 the fuel/air mixture gets mixed better as RPM increases due to turbulence. The more atomized the fuel droplets are due to turbulent mixing the quicker the whole mixture can burn. A slow burning mixture needs to be ignited earler (more advanced timing) so that the peak cylinder pressure can happen around 15 degrees after top dead center. A quick burning mixture needs to be ignited later. Above 7000 RPM fuel atomization improves very little with more RPM so the ignition curve needs to almost flatten out above 7000 RPM.
Is this detrimental at all to engines not ported for high RPM? No. You can buy this CDI if you think you may be modifying yours later to rev higher than 8000 RPM. But the old version is still available from JNMotors at a lower cost for those who doubt they will modify to that extreme.
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These will be available in a couple of weeks directly from me here in South America. Message me if you want one. Cost is $50 and you need a good high voltage coil to go with it.
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