No Smoking at the Sunoco Delaware Refinery

Discussion in 'General Questions' started by bamabikeguy, May 18, 2009.

  1. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member

    Prices at the pump rose .10 cents last week.

    Doesn't is always seem, shortly before the summer driving season, something "blows up" at a refinery?

    This year is no exception, and in the buildup to $4 a gallon gas, just a rumor spiked a barrel by 10%, actual video footage of flames and smoke brought in higher speculations.

    11 minutes ago:;_ylt=Ao9Xey2FCI5moKEgMMOeREdvzwcF

    Over the years I watched the robins arrive in the spring, then just counted the days until a Texas storage facility went "booooom" and the public was bilked out of another dollar per gallon.

    But Delaware got the jump on Houston this year.

    If I was the Wag the Dog conspiracy type, I'd compare the Delaware footage to the Houston petro bar-b-ques, the flames look identical and the footage is always shot at night, to increase the petro-shock effect on the east coast.
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  2. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member

    Wow, that was instantaneous.

    NPR 30 seconds ago said average gallon shot up to $2.30, on the Trudy Lunberg Monday Morning survey.

    Last night they said $2.21 on my evening news.

    (I keep up with these things.)
  3. SimpleSimon

    SimpleSimon Active Member

    You, sir, are a true cynic.

    I like that in a man, it shows he is thinking.
  4. FightForTheCause

    FightForTheCause New Member

    I love a good conspiracy...........
  5. eastwoodo4

    eastwoodo4 Member

    they dont need a fire to jack up the prices.they do and will do anything they want.
  6. SimpleSimon

    SimpleSimon Active Member

    Memorial Day weekend is the traditional start of the summer travel season, and the month of May is the traditional period for the gasoline producers to begin gouging by raising prices 20-30%. Nothing new about any of it, they've done exactly that annually for more than a decade.
  7. Pablo

    Pablo Motored Bikes Sponsor

    Can't happen. We don't have an "oil man" in the White House.
  8. POPS

    POPS Member

    Over $4.50 a gallon here and riseing..Really sucks...POPS
  9. SimpleSimon

    SimpleSimon Active Member

    Currently, the price here has jumped from about $1.90/gallon 10 days ago to about $2.20/gallon as of today. By the end of the month it will almost certainly be at $2.50/gallon or more. A rise of 30%+.

    Wanna bet it doesn't?
  10. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member

    2 motorized bikes in every garage, and the oil wars are ovah !!
  11. Pablo

    Pablo Motored Bikes Sponsor

    No way. This is not supposed to be happening!!
  12. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member

    My younger brother and I were pumping gas, checking oil and washing windshields at my Dad's Country Store, (selling Amoco) in the 1970's.

    Right after moving from San Jose to Alabama, we were driving locally at ages 13-14, but I had just got my license when gas doubled, from .30 cents to .60 cents a gallon.

    Getting cussed out at the cash register when that doubling took place is deeply imprinted on our mutual psyche, but we learned where to point the finger of blame. Speculation and commodity brokers. When the first embargo hit, it was like all the oil tankers on the ocean disappeared, all the gas at the distilleries and fuel depots was drained.

    What happened, the first two 1970's embargos, was 50% of the small Mom & Pop groceries went out of business. You see the empty buildings on your rides in rural areas.

    Then in the 1980's they required everybody dig up and replace the underground tanks, at $10,000 a pop, more sole proprietorships closed, and the distributors started getting into the retail business, competing against their own customers, over by the interstates especially. Made most of their money on cola syrup, weak coffee, snacks and cigs. The franchise/distributors took 70% of the retail gas market.


    My brother is now 50 years old, head purchaser for a very large hospital system, and last Thanksgiving, he put forth a unique observation I never read or heard before. No expert on Sunday talk shows ever made the connection.

    He knew where a lot of the missing stimulus billions went, why it didn't stimulate anything in 2008.

    In other words, he is absolutely sure July 11, 2008was the day the US vault doors were thrown wide open.

    And he knows exactly where he was that day. He was "waiting at the mailbox", as the saying goes.

    His commute to the UAB Hospital costs him 60 gallons per week.

    His "grouping" to receive the last wave of the Economic Stimulus Checks on was on July 11.

    He knew when to confirm his checking account balance, when the funds would be available to complete the room addition to his kitchen.

    At work he keeps his opinions close to the vest, listening to all the political and social conspiracy talk amongst mighty surgeons and lowly custodians for years. Be he cynic or skeptic, he tracked oil prices at the pumps, which also peaked on that very day, July 11, 2008.

    The media didn't catch on, they were looking at NON-events, like Hurricane Ike not effecting the closest oil in our Gulf of Mexico....

    It was not market demand that changed the price !! Think about it.

    Whatever Paulson did with TARP funds, or what happened with Standards and Poor's / Moody's and other ratings agencies, where ever those pallets of money in Baghdad disappeared to, (shrug, I dunno.). War profiteering happened.

    BUT, that economic stimulus package last year had to be on the chalkboard for months in advance, everybody knew $1,000 checks were going to be mailed out to millions of mostly suburban commuters.

    Who got the biggest chunk? Big Oil.

    This fits neatly into the meme that online porn also experienced a boom thanks to the stimulus program, the non-auto commuting urbanites are the biggest consumers of virtual stimulations.

    Big Oil took the gold.

    Laughably, experts and pundits blame Americans causing the recession now, for "saving, not spending", that is pure-d-o-bullsh***.

    Big Oil knew in mid 2007 Bush was thinking about dumping billions of "borrowed from China" money into the hands of consumers. BushCo. didn't come up with the idea on a Monday and mail out money by Friday, it took months of preparation.

    And all those Texas Mafia had "blind trust funds" heavily invested in Oil and Defense stocks funds.

    Big Oil started increasing the price at the pump when the first wave of checks came out in early Spring '08, and just like what happened, when gas went from .30 cents to .60 cents, hard pressed consumers charged the gas on credit cards.

    When the last of the money was mailed in July '08, the scam was over.

    And when the credit cards maxed out in September, consumers pulled back in purchases, and the house of cards that was the banking business came tumbling right after.

    But, the missing billions are now sitting "electronically" off shore, in the Cayman/Bahama/Swiss/Dubai tax haven schemes. Obama et. al. estimate $5-8 trillion is sitting in accounts doing nothing.

    It is no conspiracy that Obama plans on getting that idle money back in the system. That's why the corporate propaganda machine is trying to derail him.

    But the media won't know he got the money back until he does it.
    Last edited: May 19, 2009
  13. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member

    To elaborate, what happened in the U.S. in 2005?


    "The emperor has no clothes moment."

    The day prices went to $3 was when the public woke up, and ever since then, demand has been flat, as idjuts started motorizing bikes and car-pooling began again, mass transit started adding more railcars, "green buses" started selling.

    And shoppers cut their trips in half.

    So, as prices start rising, point the finger where the guilty parties are. It no longer is a price=demand equation.

    Chaos equals profit, and if you don't fall for the b.s., the same crooks from the 1970's, 80's, 90's and 00's will try the same games.

    But it won't work this time.

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  14. SimpleSimon

    SimpleSimon Active Member

    I wish I had your trust in people learning anything, 'bama. I don't.

    It will work, and the sheep will get sheared yet again. I've been watching this go on for nearly 40 years now. I got a "hardship license" when I was 14 years old, I owned 3 Dodge 4-door pickups with an 18 foot trailer full of tools behind each of them, and I bought a 1967 Impala Supersport with a 327 and a 6-pack. When I started driving gas was $.19/gallon, and very shortly went to $.50/gallon, and it has climbed in major surges interspersed with a steady base rise ever since.

    When OPEC formed and the first "oil embargo" hit I was prepared - I had a 1,200 gallon above-ground tank completely full, and I never once waited in line for fuel - nor did my crews. I did put a chain link fence with a heavy locked gate around the fueling station down by the barn.

    Gasoline/oil pricing is an immense vehicle for its drivers to rob the world with.
  15. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member

    I've been reading and listening for the "clue", and what I heard from 3 analysts yesterday made cents.

    Since last September OPEC has cut "per day" production three times, and now they've hit the target, $60 a barrel.

    That is the price where they start making real money, a lot more than if they pumped more barrels at $40-50. They WANT $100, but that's where rumors and fears start kicking in. Hurricanes, saber rattling and chaos will give them all windfall profits.

    So, the price at the gallon today should be the basement. The shale pits in Canada and deepest offshore drilling don't make money until $100 per barrel becomes fact.

    BUT, the analysts also said, the U.S. MUST stays on the current trend, lowering usage by about 4% per year, to keep consumers in the driver's seat with "demand", because some of the small and medium OPEC suppliers are in bigger financial binds, keep deferring balloon payments because you can't foreclose on an entire country.

    If the U.S. really sobered up, petrowise, and cut usage by 10% in a single year, OPEC might have to break up because banks will call in the notes.

    None of the analysts mentioned MBers, but since the majority of car trips are less than 10 miles, you are going to start getting more and more inquiries from strangers.

    We can't drive the prices lower, but we can help keep $100 a barrel ($3.50 a gallon) just an occasional event.
  16. $4 isnt really that much for a gallon ... over here in the uk its over $6 for a gallon and has been like that for a LONG time, you get used to it. Not trying to be an A$$ here but you have gas cheaper than anyone else and usually are the first to complain about it, but as is life! Not meant to be a rip or anything just my 2 cents! :)

    conspiricy is a bit odd, but blowing up a refinery to get 0.10 more for gas? i guess across the whole country they'll make some profit :p
  17. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member

    Your mass transit is light years ahead of ours, and I wouldn't mind $4, if the windfall was split with alternative energy programs.

    Our problem is distances, diesel to bring goods to markets will remain a constant. They get the big trucks near 10 mpg, then EPA comes along requires a device that drags them back down to 8. Diesel m.p.g. performance in our 18 wheelers has actually declined since the 1970's.

    The refinery explosion is just a once per spring coincidence, there was zero talk about gas prices when I posted that, now PRICES RISING is on the news every evening.
  18. As far as TV has educated me, all over america people have massive trucks and big SUVs for menial tasks, ok you have to cover great distances, but my car does 60mpg, momre if i'm careful! So i guess i can get more out of the fuel in terms of distance vs price .. meh! still you get it cheaper!!

    go MBs!! :)
  19. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member

    What's that littlest Ford they sell in Britain? The one hitting 70 m.p.g.?

    Same model here only hits 40 mpg, due to Environmental Protection Requirements.

    Now, something is really up with that, I can't believe GrBritain would allow spewing of fumes, while over here I don't understand how filtering could cause that much loss of performance.
  20. Happy Valley

    Happy Valley Active Member

    The Saudi oil minister yesterday said their target was $75bbl.

    And Giles, while not everyone in the US drives a gas guzzling truck or SUV there are many on the road, most with one rider up and that same V8 in many parts of the world would only be powering a vehicle used to carry 20 or 30 people.