"Petition" to Save USA's HT

[augidog]

ok, folks...i made it easy for you, the rest is up to you.

this will probably not be much help, but i don't see any way it can hurt.

imo, best bet is to print, sign, and snail-mail it.

Dear Mr. Grube,

I'd like to open by Thanking You for your enormous contribution to the world of Motorized Bicycling. Your efforts & products have improved the lives of many people for many reasons, and I expect they will for some time to come.

This letter is in regards to the pending changes in laws in The United States, and how this affects both you and me. The 2-stroke engines, it seems, will soon be unavailable through Legal channels in the USA.

I fear that this situation will once again result in "illegal" engines coming into the USA, which may lead to even tougher restrictions on both our Motorsport and your Business. I'm concerned that future restrictions may start to affect the entire MB-Riding Community, and have decided I am willing to do my part to help avoid that possible scenario.

I believe compromise is attainable, and I humbly ask you to consider the re-development of a 48cc 2-stroke model that meets future requirements for sale and use in the USA. I know the cost for such an undertaking could be considerable, I know you'll have to pass that cost onto me, I'll pay it.

My reason for asking only for a 48cc is because a 50cc limit is quickly becoming an accepted standard in The United States, and I feel that continued use of larger engines in The United States will soon lead to the aforementioned nationwide effects on the entire MotorSport.

If You can find a way to continue supporting US, keeping our local situation in mind, with a "legally" accepted 2-stroke engine, We'll continue to support YOU by buying it, you may count on that.

Respectfully,


Member, MotoredBikes.com

if anyone has better contact info, please post it.

e-mail: chinagasangel@gmail.com & grubeeinc@yahoo.com
Address: ROOM 1101, UNIT II, BLDG 8, HUAIDE YUAN. CHANGZHOU , JIANGSU,
CHINA pc: 213001 TEL: 86 519 8688 8696 FAX: 86 519 8688 8627

 

[machiasmort]

Thanks for doing all of the work Augi! If we could get that address confirmed, I'm happy to send that letter and will consider them in future purchases!

 

[augidog]

technically, it wasn't my "first post" in here as promised...but it took me a bit of time, and a few beers, to get right.

i guess if you sent it "in care of" a Grube distributor, Don would eventually see it.

 

[spad4me]

So Don Grubee gets his fondest wish. To be the sole LEGAL importer to the USA . If I want a Happy time engine kit, Its Grubee or the hiway.

 

[augidog]

look, i don't care one way or t'other, i said i'd try to make it easier to get a campaign started, so i did...your point, maybe valid maybe not i take no sides, is off-topic here.

spad4me: you are free, and i wholeheartedly encourage you, to start a new topic in "the green door" with a form letter to your favorite HT maker/seller...or even an "i hate grube" thread in "general discussion", which i wouldn't encourage but it's still your right.

again, i don't care, but i truly wish you best of luck in achieving whatever it is you want

i just want all future MB engines to be in line with the new laws so we don't ALL wind up being squashed underfoot eventually....so i'm taking action instead of just b***hing. apathy does NOT rock my world.

 

[uncle_punk13]

 

[Whizzerd]

Augi, no disrespect intended here Sir, but why are you so adamant to see engines larger than 50 cc's eliminated? What about the offroad crowd? These things are about having fun with something that hasn't had simple, free enjoyment taxed or regulated away. Think ultralight aircraft. I've followed the thread "No more 2 cycles...'10" and understand the concerns. First rule of negotiation and compromise " Always ASK for more than your willing to compromise for ". Your letter STARTS by WANTING to give away. I'm the guy who suggested individuals contact their dealers about availability. And I did! Bought two more HT's to beat the impending price increases! I'm 52 and remember a day before this NewWorldOrder BS started kicking in. I'm like many on this forum , fed up with the status quo. Money rules COMPLETELY! And governments DO NOT have You or My best interests at heart. I say leave that sleeping dog lay. IF there is increased regs imposed it will be to get more of OUR money not because of 16 1/2 c.c.'s! Again, please don't take offense 'cause none's intended. BTW, loved your Site. Your ride up Mt St. Helen's looked awesome and I enjoyed the great pics. Take care.

 

[flashstar]

While agree that HT's should not be eliminated, I feel it naive to put a 50cc cap on engine size. How can those in the government determine that 50cc's is an adequate maximum size for an engine when other factors like efficiency are taken into account. For example, a Morini might put out 6 hp in 49 cc format whereas an HT of similar size will put out less than half that.

I have a feeling too that the authorities do not care what size these engines are as long as they receive their "security deposit" of $500,000 from these small companies in China. The petition is a great idea, but size needs to be eliminated from its conditions.

Soon, the government will request that even tighter regulations be applied to small engines. I could see them making a 30cc limit, etc. If we are going to make petitions to keep these engines around, all should be allowed. Who's to assume that people are using 70cc's on roads and not their own property or off-road?

WE give power to the government, not the other way around. If the people want to ride 70cc's, they should be allowed to.

 

[ibdennyak]

Whizzerd and Flashstar...... There is a thread in General Discussion called No more HTs in 2010. If you read that, it will answer your questions.

Not to put words in Augi's mouth, but his contention is that 49ccs has become the accepted cut off between the motorcycle/moped class and the motored bicycle class. If you read the threads with the federal description of a motorized bicycle and many of the states description of what a motorized bicycle is, the majority say the same thing. Augi's goal is to prevent the total abolition of motored bicycles as a class of *non-vehicle* Many of us operate in a kind of a *gray area* which could easily be legislated out of existence. To prevent this he is urging compliance with existing standards.

It isn't that Augi has a bone to pick with the Happy Times, or even with engines larger than 49cc's, just he is trying to keep the wrath of the powers that be from descending on us. Is that a good synopsis Augi???

Flashstar, in the same thread, some of your concerns are addressed. Arizona, I believe already has a limit of I believe 35cc. Another *accepted standard* is either 20-30 mph in a specified distance on the flat. If legislation comes to pass, I suggested doing as cars do and specify a speed rather than engine size, and if caught you get a ticket. The kicker is that on one of my bikes I already run an oversize engine and haven't had any legal problems with it....so do we want to stir the pot. That is also discussed in that thread.

I suggest you set aside an hour or so and read that and other threads....lots of interesting ideas and good discussion in there.

Denny

 

[augidog]

ahhh...would that it were mere "negotiation"...but we have nothing to negotiate with...this is survival, imo.

if there was a consistant set of laws in place, if MB's enjoyed their own class-niche...i'd have nothing to worry about, nothing to complain about, noone else would be able to negatively affect my right-to-ride thru their "violations." it would be case by case, just like any other motor-vehicle, and i'd happily keep my mouth shut and ride on

ask yourself this, but please discuss it in a more appropriate topic, or someone start a new topic about it:
if the commercial market had never offered anything over 50cc, would you miss it or "refuse" to build and ride an MB?

methinks not.

denny is right, i have no axe to grind, right now...but i surely will if
we as a group shoot our own foot for a wee 16.5cc.

thanks for the civil input & the kind comments about my adventures