Phantom 85 v3 WONT WORK, OUT OF IDEAS

[ImpulseRocket]

Oil is supposed to accumulate in the case for lubrication purpose of the crank bearings as well as the piston needle valve bearing and lubing the cylinder, rings, etc....The fuel burns off leaving the oil behind on these parts because 2 stroke oil is formulated and designed for this very purpose.

Too much oil still in the case will cause a no-start scenario. If that thing has been repeatedly flooded and then sat and the fuel evaporated, it left the oil behind. a lot of oil from the looks of it.

If it were me, I would take the engine off the bike, remove the head/cylinder, and flush the bottom with some unmixed gas, mineral spirits, or kerosene. Good chance to inspect he cylinder for any potential mechanical damage.

Then I would replace the 2 base gaskets with fresh ones, and give them a coat in aircraft sealant number 3 or some other semi-curing gasket dressing so that it ensures a better seal and won't seep as much oil.

 

[Chris117]

I really hope yout talking the 2 bottom gaskets being wet since the Phantom does not have a separate head gasket because it is a one piece cylinder design.

I also hope you threw out that junk Chinese Z Series spark plug and replaced it with a decent NGK-BR6HS...The Z plugs even when showing spark are well known for failure to start these motors.

 

[Chris117]

I bought a different one but that didn’t work I took the head apart and was able to pour out a considerable amount of gas from the bottom

 

[Chris117]

Too much oil still in the case will cause a no-start scenario. If that thing has been repeatedly flooded and then sat and the fuel evaporated, it left the oil behind. a lot of oil from the looks of it.

If it were me, I would take the engine off the bike, remove the head/cylinder, and flush the bottom with some unmixed gas, mineral spirits, or kerosene. Good chance to inspect he cylinder for any potential mechanical damage.

Then I would replace the 2 base gaskets with fresh ones, and give them a coat in aircraft sealant number 3 or some other semi-curing gasket dressing so that it ensures a better seal and won't seep as much oil.

I took the body apart and was able to pour a considerable amount of gas from the bottom of it, I believe the piston is facing the right direction(arrow pointed to exaust , and there dosnt seem to be damage to the cylinder walls or piston.

 

[DAMIEN1307]

the E3-10 is the wrong heat range plug for these motors, it is supposed to be an E3-32.

The Z series Z4C is just a total crap plug.

I believe the piston is facing the right direction(arrow pointed to exaust

I have seen the arrow on the top of a piston stamped in the wrong direction before.

What you want to look for is what side the ring pins are on...The ring pins are always supposed to be facing the intake when putting the piston in.

 

[Chris117]

I really hope yout talking the 2 bottom gaskets being wet since the Phantom does not have a separate head gasket because it is a one piece cylinder design.

I also hope you threw out that junk Chinese Z Series spark plug and replaced it with a decent NGK-BR6HS...The Z plugs even when showing spark are well known for failure to start these motors.

Also something I’d like to know, my fuel is 87 and 91 e10 gas mixed with 6.4 oz of oil to a gallon of fuel. Does that sound right?

 

[Chainlube]

Also something I’d like to know, my fuel is 87 and 91 e10 gas mixed with 6.4 oz of oil to a gallon of fuel. Does that sound right?

The mix is right, but try not to use too much ethanol fuel. The engine seals will deteriorate on you.

 

[DAMIEN1307]

Also something I’d like to know, my fuel is 87 and 91 e10 gas mixed with 6.4 oz of oil to a gallon of fuel. Does that sound right?

The mix is right, but try not to use too much ethanol fuel. The engine seals will deteriorate on you.

Chainlube is correct, ethanol is a known 2 stroke engine seal killer...Try and get ethanol-free gasoline...If I knew what city or town you were in, I could direct you to gas stations that carry it in your area.

 

[Gordy]

the E3-10 is the wrong heat range plug for these motors, it is supposed to be an E3-32.

The Z series Z4C is just a total crap plug.


I have seen the arrow on the top of a piston stamped in the wrong direction before.

What you want to look for is what side the ring pins are on...The ring pins are always supposed to be facing the intake when putting the piston in.

I thought it was an E3.36

 

[DAMIEN1307]

I thought it was an E3.36

Nope, E3-32, same as what you put in your Predator 212...lol.

There is also this reason in the URL link below as to why I do not recommend or use E3 plugs whatsoever.

Hard start fix?

I've recently complete 2 66/80cc bikes. Both have run around 6 miles. They can start, however it takes forever, closer to maybe 15 minutes to get going unless already hot from running. I am running a 30:1, with .2 spark plug gap, all stock kits. As far as I can tell theres no flooding since the...

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