Road Trip!!

Discussion in 'General Questions' started by KenM, Nov 13, 2015.

  1. KenM

    KenM Member

    Hi all , just wondering . I do not have an engine kit yet, or a bike to put it on for that matter. So I have no experience with a gas bike.
    How reliable are these bikes in general?
    Could you but a rear rack and some saddle bags, and some camping gear. And ride around for three or four weeks. Putting on 50 to 100 miles a day. Or would this Chinese stuff start falling apart?
    Thanks for your time. Just thinking out loud!
    Keep looking up! Ken.

  2. butre

    butre Well-Known Member

    all depends on how good a builder you are. I wouldn't hesitate to ride 1000 miles on my bike, but wouldn't ride half a mile on some of the bikes I've seen.
  3. bikejock

    bikejock Member

    I wouldn't want to try something like that myself. It would be risky even for a good quality motorized bike using a Honda engine. Anything China made is not road trip proof. The hardware on Chinese kits is junk. Cheap, flimsy metal and bolts with poorly made threading. If you wanna do a road trip a touring motorcycle would be better for that but touring motorcycles aren't cheap. They can go for $25k sometimes unless you get lucky on Craigslist even then someone would want $10k or more for it.

    Motorized bikes are meant for short commutes around town raining from 2 to 10 miles a day. I wanted to build a motorized bike originally because I don't get out of town much. You could try getting a kit and making improvements and upgrades to the hardware to make it more reliable but that also can be costly depending on what you want. I'm going with a Staton Inc. friction kit made in USA and Honda 35cc motor for my current build but I wouldn't wanna take it on a long road trip.
  4. crassius

    crassius Well-Known Member

    think of it as a 1920s model T - even if well built, carry tools - most of what may go wrong is easily fixable
  5. KenM

    KenM Member

    Thank you all for your input.
    That is just what I was thinking about. You need a BIG tool bag, and an even BIGGER spare parts bag!
    My wife would make me live outside if I ever whent on a three week trip anyway!
    I do have an a electric bike that I really want to take up to ride The Tail of The Dragon . But she does not want to do that either. Oh well.
    Keep looking up! Ken.
  6. The_Aleman

    The_Aleman Active Member

    A 4-stroke with proper gear ratios built using quality hardware shouldn't have any problem with a long trip. The 4-strokes are all made to run all day long and most have their own cooling fan.

    I wouldn't trust the standard 2-stroke kit engines, tho.
  7. 2old2learn

    2old2learn Member

    Im planning a mini road/camping trip on my Specialized Hardrock 29er with a Honda GXH50cc 4 stroke with Staton Inc pedal axle kit, so I can power through my pedal axle and use all 21 speeds of my bikes gearing with the motor.

    Planning on riding the Natchez Trace from end to end, about 500 miles and camp along the way. Looking at sometime this spring. Realistically I could ride it in a 3 day weekend but plan on a week.
  8. KenM

    KenM Member

    Good for you! That sounds like a good trip! Take your time and enjoy the time.
    That is a beautiful road to ride on.
    Keep us posed on your progress .
    Keep looking up! Ken.
  9. jaguar

    jaguar Well-Known Member

    trip reliability

    for reliability on a long trip you first need to:
    1) balance the crank because excessive engine vibration loosens bolts/nuts
    2) replace the stock CDI with a good aftermarket one
    3) carry with you a spare stator coil in case yours fries while riding
    4) plane flat the head mating surface and make your own gasket
  10. 2old2learn

    2old2learn Member

    A long time ago I used to drive it from Jackson, MS on my way back and forth to Mississippi State University so I'm familiar with it on that section. Since I'm an ultralight backpacker, I have most of the equipment I will need other than possibly a tow behind trailer. Once I set a date I'll post it on the site in case others want to join the trip. We could even have nonmotorized join the trip as I will shoot for 80-100 miles a day which is very doable for most cyclists. On some days I'll ride that far on my road bikes and fly that far on my non motorised hang glider, though am considering adding a motor to it!
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  11. butre

    butre Well-Known Member

    I've done the Natchez Trace on my old Harley, that was a fun ride. one of the most fun rides I've ever done.
  12. 2old2learn

    2old2learn Member

    You might want to come join the ride. Its always more fun with a group. We could call ourselves the Smells Angels!
  13. butre

    butre Well-Known Member

    I'll definitely consider it. keep me in the loop for a time and meeting place. I might even be able to bring 2 or 3 other guys if they think their bikes can handle the distance.
  14. bluegoatwoods

    bluegoatwoods Well-Known Member

    Even a cheap Chinese two cycle, built by someone knowledgeable, can probably do the trip you're thinking about.

    But the other thing to consider is whether your body can take it. I doubt if mine could, and I'm not in bad shape.
  15. 2old2learn

    2old2learn Member

    You bring up a very valid and concerning reality for those of us who have to search to find a hair that is not yet gray. For the past 2 1/2 years that Ive tracked my walking via GPS I have been walking on average 105 miles a month, some months more than others. Now that its approaching my backpacking season, Im hiking with a 30lb pack 3 times a week on a two mile loop over a local 150 foot hill on its sidewalk so I do the hill twice. Then I throw in some cycling when weather permits. I need to get myself on a weight lifting habit but it just doesnt appeal to me as much as doing something out doors. Might have to start splitting firewood as that appeals to me a bit more.
  16. sbest

    sbest Active Member

    I am thinking about doing the same thing Ken. I am 55 years old and love an adventure.
    I have put thousands of highway miles on my KTM 125 EXC including camping from it.


    It runs at over 10,000 rpm at highway speeds and has atop speed in the 130 - 140 kph range.
    2 strokes will handle the miles if tuned and looked after.

    As far as my body, I am no gym rat either. GET ME OUTSIDE! I try to keep in shape but I like my dinner, weigh 210 lbs. Round is a shape, right?
    I work with Search and Rescue and have no problem with long search taskings if I have a little Ibuprofen to get me through...


    That is me in the orange on the left.

    So my plan is to do some traveling next summer on my bike:


    Why the bike?
    Slow is better. I want to see things and talk to people along the way.
    So I put this thing together stock, and run it. longer and longer trips all the time to get the bugs out.
    So far it has been reliable but has had a few problems. The head did warp and leak:


    So I would believe and follow Jaguar's advice about the other parts, but no need for a large tool chest.
    I take the KTM to very remote locations with a bare handful of tools. With some prep and practice this can be a very reliable bike.
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  17. butre

    butre Well-Known Member

    no need for a large tool chest. all I keep is a flathead screwdriver for messing with the carb, a 10mm wrench, and a pair of pliers in case one of the odd sizes I've got backs off. plus all the obvious flat repair stuff. I've never managed to have a major issue that I couldn't jerry rig back together.

    one time I had an intake plenum break clean off during an off road crash. 2 zip ties and a bit of chewing gum got me the 2 miles back home. that was a fun ride there.
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  18. sbest

    sbest Active Member

    Minimum toolkit needed by a resourceful mechanic:
    Spare sparkplug and socket, (NGK plugs are larger hex than supplied Chinese plug)
    philips screwdrver,
    allen key set,
    10mm wrench, or a quality adjustable wrench
    14mm socket for headbolts

    Nice to haves, will allow a complete roadside rebuild of engine or clutch:
    Masterlink (some might like a flat screwdriver or needlenose to change it)
    Clutch/gear puller
    Smaller supplied sparkplug socket

    2 stroke oil in measurable container
    Smallest container of grease for the gear
    Zipties and/or mechanics wire
    Electrical or duct tape, get the best
    5 minute JB Weld
    Flat repair patches and 2 plastic tire tools

    Did I miss anything?
    What does the bike need?