So if i am right the avenger 85 is just phantom 85 without the problematic jug ?

[Stingerbro765]

So if the a85 is just a p85 without the overheating issues why is so many people still buying p85? Correct me if i am wrong a85 mods should be the same as p85 like using a pz19 carb, ms460 piston, cnc head (if you trust the smoliks) and the usual portwork and retarding the timing and balancing crank?

 

[Gordy]

No. It's a completely different engine. The MS460 piston has the same issue as stock, the ring gap is in the middle of the intake port.

 

[Stingerbro765]

So most p85 (specific) mods wont work on the a-85 or have little effect?

 

[DAMIEN1307]

So most p85 (specific) mods wont work on the a-85 or have little effect?

And then there is the exhaust...it is a totally different exhaust on the A-85 and they also will not interchange.

The A-85 is known for bad problems that have not been corrected at the factory level whereas the P-85 has been improved over the last 4 years of production with the V-3 version that came out a year ago.

I own a V-2 and a V-3 Phantom and I love the both of them...lol.

Here is the bike I have them on as I have one as a spare motor and can just switch them out back and forth if I need to.

 

[Stingerbro765]

But is the minerelli and and reliability worth it? Plus its somehow cheaper in my region

 

[DAMIEN1307]

But is the minerelli and and reliability worth it? Plus its somehow cheaper in my region

I wouldn't know since I have never built or had a Minerelli.

 

[DAMIEN1307]

I can only tell you I have been running Phantoms for around 3 years now and have thousands of miles on them.

 

[Stingerbro765]

I can only tell you I have been running Phantoms for around 3 years now and have thousands of miles on them.

Thanks for the insight tho i appreciate it

 

[Gordy]

I am currently working on building an avenger into an engine that is actually worthwhile. I have some parts that will be in tomorrow. It isn't easy work.

The known issues of the avenger are...
-Porous castings causing a lean condition that is not repairable

-ring gap in the center of the intake port causing ring snag issues

-the wrist pin bearing is too thin and will blow under load/rpm

-poor crank shaft seals

-muffler rivets coming out and causing the muffler to fall apart

 

[Johnny_]

And then there is the exhaust...it is a totally different exhaust on the A-85 and they also will not interchange.

The A-85 is known for bad problems that have not been corrected at the factory level whereas the P-85 has been improved over the last 4 years of production with the V-3 version that came out a year ago.

I own a V-2 and a V-3 Phantom and I love the both of them...lol.

Here is the bike I have them on as I have one as a spare motor and can just switch them out back and forth if I need to.

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What did they change between the V2 and V3?