Staton hot rod?

Discussion in 'Rack Mounted Engines' started by ampliflyer, Jul 4, 2008.

  1. ampliflyer

    ampliflyer Member

    I have about 120 miles on my staton gear and chain setup and I absolutely love it.

    I have a 6.3 mile each way commute and as long as the rain isnt fallin' I am on it.
    I have the RS 35 4 cycle and it is perfect for my thru town trip.

    That said, I am a chronic tinker-a-holic and I can never leave well enough alone.

    In the corner of my shop I have a "hot rod" 2 stroke that is bad to the bone the clutch and mounting holes are the same as the RS so it looks like it will bolt right up.

    It has a big bore kit large carb and probably develops 5hp or so.

    On my staton setup I have the heavy duty 12 gauge spokes and the mount itself feels rock solid.

    My question to you experienced folks is: if I swap the 1.6hp motor out for the 5+hp motor will the hub/spoke hold up or will this just be a spoke breaker?

  2. Mountainman

    Mountainman Active Member

    My question to you experienced folks is: if I swap the 1.6hp motor out for the 5+hp motor will the hub/spoke hold up or will this just be a spoke breaker?[/QUOTE]

    Possibly -- if you truly realize what you are dealing with here -- ridden VERY EASY -- you may be able to make the switch without major changes to drive train ect.. Remembering at all times -- you have more than enough torque to rip it to pieces... My son (33 yrs old) as proven in the past -- would have that thing torn up IN NO TIME !!! I love that boy !!! Happy Riding from - Mountainman
  3. DetonatorTuning

    DetonatorTuning Active Member

    DO iT !!

    kerf's been running 4.5hp through his Staton for some time without problems.

    pics man, pics
  4. kerf

    kerf Guest

    My 4.2 hp won't hurt my Staton at all. Once, while working on my muffler, I started the engine not realizing it was stuck at WOT. When the engine caught, it screamed to 11k, pulled from my grasp, shot across the basement and hit the wall. The impact was hard enough to bend the forward 3/8" mounting bolt on the gear box. I did have to replace that bolt and two spokes but that was all. I don't think 10 hp would break this setup.
  5. vyzhion

    vyzhion Guest

    I am planning on doing just that when I get the money together. Please do it and let us know how it works out. And yes, pics are always welcomed. :)

  6. DetonatorTuning

    DetonatorTuning Active Member

    10 Hp, Drool
  7. ampliflyer

    ampliflyer Member

    Hey Kerf what engine are you running?
  8. kerf

    kerf Guest

    Chung Yang R460.
  9. lennyharp

    lennyharp Member

    If you keep the wheel tuned as in spokes to right tension they should handle it. The gearbox certainly will.
  10. frameteam2003

    frameteam2003 Member

    Remember,Bicycles wheels don't just get out of round and wobble---they bend in half all of a sudden!(in turns!)
  11. duivendyk

    duivendyk Guest

    Can the centrifugal clutch handle this large increase in torque?
  12. kerf

    kerf Guest

    I don't recall seeing that happen before, can you give a video link?
  13. ampliflyer

    ampliflyer Member I'm excited!
    I will head out to my shop clean the 2 stroke up and hopefully install it.
    I've never pulled the engine off my staton it a 4 bolt affair or is there more to it??
  14. kerf

    kerf Guest

    Look at the output side on the gear box and see if there are 4 plugs in the side of the case. If so remove them and using a long 3/16 Allen wrench, locate and remove the 4 engine mounting bolts on the opposite side. Don't let them fall into the box.

    No plugs, remove the gear box bolts and split the case. Using a metric socket, remove the 4 engine bolts.
  15. astring

    astring Member

    we used to call it "taco" as in he "tacoed" that rim.
  16. kerf

    kerf Guest

    What kind of rim? I rode around for two weeks with broken spokes from my basement wreck and didn't know it. The 48 spoke Ryno Lite double wall was still straight.
  17. ampliflyer

    ampliflyer Member

    My dog and I hopped into my pickup drove out to the shop grabbed the 52cc 2 stroke brought it back here to the house unfortunately it's gas tank is almost empty and I dont have the right mix here.
    I'm outa time now as I have to leave for a gig with my band.
    I will report in tomorrow for those interested.
  18. lennyharp

    lennyharp Member

    Spoke tension is why a wheel will not hold true and is what helps prevent them from tacoing. If you flat spot a rim or bend it in any way you should probably do some tightening and loosening of spokes. This can make a wheel last a lot longer even if it has been damaged. This may be a job best done by an expert but it can be learned by many. I found a lot of good articles on "wheel truing" in google search. The bicycle wheel needs more attention than a motorcycle wheel but is so much lighter that our 1.5 hp motors can drive them pretty well. Now if you have 15 or 150 hp to work with the srtonger wheel and added weight are the way to go. I think a down hill rim with 36 spokes kept true and tensioned properly will handle what most of us give them. Go with 48 spokes and I am sure it works.
  19. ampliflyer

    ampliflyer Member

    OK... took a couple extra days (as always).
    I cleaned the 52cc stroke fresh fuel mix/fresh plug and it fired right up!
    I was impressed/surprised.
    I followed Kerf's instruction and dropped my RS out and swapped it for the 2 stroke.
    It was really straight forward and only took 20 minutes start to finish....I started thinking about having a few different style / type motors om the shelf for ride variety.
    Unfortunately the clutch sticks out slightly further than the RS and it actually bottomed out in the clutch housing.
    When it was mounted in place the motor wouldn't even turn over.
    It seated all the way in on the test fit so it must only contact by a very small amount.
    Is there a shim available...should go to the trouble of designing one?
    i built a small cnc gantry style mill a couple years ago so thats do-able... and repeatable.
    Id really like to be able to use this motor but maybe it just doesnt fit and I should just not fool with it. I dont have much expierience with this stuff.
  20. Mountainman

    Mountainman Active Member

    I picked up some shims a while back at one of the largest car engine rebuilders in town -- had everything I wanted.. Happy Riding from - Mountainman