Staton or Golden Eagle?

Discussion in 'Rack Mounted Engines' started by thud, Mar 29, 2007.

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  1. thud

    thud Guest

    I need some advice on which to buy. Can anyone give me some pros/cons of each?

  2. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member


    Here are two reviews of the small and the medium sized GEBE engines, note that the Popular Mechanics is 2004, so there have been about 4 or 5 changes in the belt, belt strength, gears, drive shafts. But all and all, what Pop Mechanics has described is about the same as I have experienced.

    The medium sized engine I would recommend for riders over 220 pounds.
  3. Torques

    Torques Guest

    GEBE in all respects wins, plain and simple. After having that friction drive for the first 2800 miles, I am so thankful I discovered this system.
  4. srdavo

    srdavo Active Member

    what aout staton-inc's chain drive kit with the gearbox? anybody?
  5. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member

    THERE IS ONE BIG CAUTION with GEBE systems, and really it might be a theft deterrent.

    I have found, with the smaller engines especially, that sometime during the breaking in, the engine/bike and belt accustom themselves to the riding habits of a single rider, who knows what the noises/hiccups mean, and reacts accordingly.

    If the spokering was not installed centered (which holds the tension arm steady) AND a stranger gets on board without experience or an accompaning rider, there is a high probability he/she may damage the belt.

    I have had belts in perfect shape, with a thousand miles on them, and a novice can shred it on a medium incline.
  6. Hive

    Hive Guest

    All true, and

    I will add that between the two systems, I think the GEBE is the easier to deal with, however.

    Easier to install, lighter, and easy to adjust, but as noted above, some might not be for those who think they can just get on and gun. That is not what they were intended to do, even though with the larger motors, they fly around quite well.
  7. Torques

    Torques Guest

    Well, I don't gun because it's understood the clutch shoes will wear out faster, just like riding the breaks. I take it easy starting out but acceleration is crisp anyway if I want that. It's superior to a friction drive or some gear reduction system that loses 20-30 percent energy before it gets to the hub. Even a chain drive is heavier and creates more friction than a belt, correct me if I am wrong.
  8. If you are a heavy person, expect a lot of spoke breakage from either kit, (although it is not uncommon for lighter personnel to have the same problem). It is often necessary to order a rear wheel with at least 12 guage spokes, (which can't be replaced if they break), or get a good rim, and hub, and have the wheel custom built with 10 guage spokes by "The Wheelmaster" in Auburn, WA, (if one breaks the wheel is guaranteed for life, and the broken spoke will be replaced). I did the latter of the two, and haven't regretted it even slightly, because I haven't had any problem with spokes since. Also you might read about using epoxy cement to keep your drive ring centered, (GEBE), or wrapping wire with solder, or plastic tie wraps where your spokes cross to make the wheel stronger. In my opinion if such drastic measures are necessary to keep the integrity of the wheel/drivering, then much thicker spokes are needed. Needless to say, I don't need to use "field expediency" measures to hold my rear end together...lmao. Love those big 'ol 10 guage spokes!! he he.
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  9. kenspice

    kenspice Guest

    Hi all,
    Here is my take on this. I only have 820 miles on my GEBE R/S35 Belt drive though I did have a whizzer in 1949. First, because I read this web site and checked many bikes before I bought anything, I ended up with an easy, quick install. So far absolutely no problems. There is no sign of wear at all. I ordered the solid axle and am still using the original belt, nobby tires and original wheels. I expect this system will go a very many more miles and this is the reason. I change oil often, I keep things tight, I pedal to 5/10 mph, then advance the throttle easy. I pedal on hills that I could go up without pedaling. I weigh 200 lbs and have a heavy bike (Schwinn Aerostar). You must realize that no matter what you do to your bike that you are still riding a BIKE. The engine is only to assist YOU. I will not ride faster than road conditions allow and obey all traffic laws. If you ride with respect toward others you will ride and live longer. You ask which kit is better. They are all good if you pay attention to the installation, treat the bike and engine good and use common sense while riding. Do that and you will no doubt have many enjoyable hours and miles ahead of you. You will see on this site many people that want to push everything to the limit. They are having fun, love to work on their bikes and know they will wear them out quicker and replace parts more often than a cream puff like me. I'll be 72 next month. Can you guess why I'm still riding and enjoying myself on the streets and back roads? That said, I may get a larger engine! Why? For more power on the mountains when I want to carry a heavier load. NOT for speed! I will still pedal to start out and will pedal as much as my tired old bones will allow on the hills. If you want to ride off of ski jumps and do double flips over a row of cars with a 200cc engine disguised as a milk crate, thats great! Enjoy yourself to the utmost! If you want to enjoy the scenery, old age and keep your bike awhile, then do it my way. Treat your wife, girlfriends and bikes (not necessarily in that order) with respect and see if it won't pay off! KenSpice
  10. kerf

    kerf Guest

    For weight and simplicity the GEBE looks good provided you stay about 35cc.

    For power the Staton chain drive is the way to go, as they offer you up to 50cc / 2.5 HP. Staton will handle the power, I'm running 4.2 HP, however, it cost more and is heaver.

    I would not rule out a quality friction drive. Your power would be limited to about 2 - 2.2 HP but they are less costly and very light and simple. The biggest limitation is wet roads. I don't mean riding in the rain, I mean any moisture on the road. If you can see moisture on the tire your gonna slip under load.

    They all have their good and weak points, no one size fits all solution. The more research you do, the more you're gonna be grin'n while go'n down the road.
  11. az cra-z

    az cra-z Guest

    My 2 (why the heck isn't there a "cent" key on the keyboard anymore?) cents

    How much pedaling without the motor do you want to do? I pedal all the time, only have the motor running half the time or less, and the Staton chain drive is far and away the best for this. Hit the kill switch, and all that's moving in the motor drive train is a freewheel going "tik-tik-tik". Want to "hit the power", all I do is reach behind with my right hand and give the rope a little yank (after turning the kill switch back on, of course).

  12. Hi Kenspice! 72 next month? Bless your heart. I hope I'm still riding my GEBE then. ;)
    No...believe it or not, I did all of the above too....still broken spokes. Of course I'm weighing in at may have something to do with it. I have seen other posts about an ongoing spoke breakage problem with practically all types of kits. I'm happy to hear that you haven't had any problems, but I wish I could have been so fortunate. I'm merely out here stating a solution for it that worked for me. I'm 50 myself, and I'm sure not out there to set any new speed records on a motoredbike, and exercise, (and fun...hehe), was my main reason to set up my GEBE. It's a handy dandy for running over to the bank, or to band practice on a nice night With the price of gas these days, I use it more than I would have 10 years ago...that's for sure.
  13. kenspice

    kenspice Guest

    Glad you got that spoken broke problem fixed, Roy! Those 10 gaugers should go on forever.
  14. Yessir...those are some big 'ol fat Glad I got 'em now. Turned my GEBE experience completely around. :)
  15. smapadatha

    smapadatha Guest

    I only have experience with GEBE and so I can't comment on other bike engine solutions. I have owned a GEBE kit for about 6 months and ridden it for about 3 months/500 miles (it took me a while to get the right bike). I am so disgusted with the people at GEBE and their product that I cannot imagine buying one now, or recommending one. I would not even sell the one I have without explaining to potential buyers the experiences I've had, which would tend to dramatically lower the resale value.

    I talked to Dave Staton about a month ago. He asked me what kind of kit I have, and I said GEBE. He said he gets a lot of customers who previously had GEBE kits.

    I believe him.

  16. loquin

    loquin Active Member

    I've been using the Staton friction drive a little more than a year now, and have had no problems with it. (Of course, living in the Phoenix area, we don't have to deal with wet roads very much...) Just make sure that the roller is firmly down on the tire before locking it.

    As others have stated; make sure that the roller is aligned at 90 degrees to the tire, otherwise, you'll be replacing the rubber fairly often.
  17. kerf

    kerf Guest

    I agree with loquin, the Staton friction drive is well worth considering, I've got several of them. Wet roads with hills are a issue but other than that, they're light, simple, quite and rugged. When I was running one, 40 mile rides were a piece of cake.