Torque Converter on Whizzer

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A couple days ago there was an auction for a Comet torque converter that was set up to work on a Whizzer. The auction ended at $103 which I thought was a really good deal for something that supposedly would work out of the box. I didn't bid because I don't really need it, and because of the uncertainty (would it work?)

Anyway, can anyone provide any insight on this topic? Would a torque converter work on Whizzer, and if it would, why hasn't anyone developed one to sell?

If the person that won the auction is reading this, please chime in and let us know how it works.
 
Some Whizzer models came with a cvt. I don't know anything else about them, but I do know that they came on certain models. It's a 136cc engine, no reason a cvt wouldn't work. It's got the power for it.
 
Hi,

The last production Whizzer used a CVT modified from a GY6 scooter[Ambassador II and NE-r].

The motors are 138 CC and are choked down and don't really work well with the CVT.
If the restrictor is removed and the motor modified it is still close on the amount of power it can dedicate to the CVT system.

I do think the system can be made to work better, but doubt it will ever compare to the automatic Whizzer clutch system [please note I said Whizzer clutch, not the current edition from Taiwan].

I have worked on several of the Whizzer CVT drives and can offer help if needed.

Have fun,
 
[QUOTE = "Quenton Guenther, publicación: 376024, miembro: 2368"]
Hola,

La última producción Whizzer utilizó una CVT modificada de un scooter GY6 [Ambassador II y NE-r].

Los motores son de 138 CC y están bloqueados y realmente no funcionan bien con el CVT.
Si se quita el restrictor y se modifica el motor, todavía está cerca de la cantidad de energía que puede dedicar al sistema CVT.

Creo que se puede hacer que el sistema funcione mejor, pero dudo que alguna vez se compare con el sistema automático de embrague Whizzer [tenga en cuenta que dije embrague Whizzer, no la edición actual de Taiwán].

He trabajado en varias de las unidades Whizzer CVT y puedo ofrecer ayuda si es necesario.

Que te diviertas,
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Hola disculpen que le escriba en español porque mi inglés es muy básico como para abordar este tema y logro leer sus comentarios porque mi móvil los traduce automáticamente. Yo tengo un whizzer que aquí en cuba llamamos cola de pato pero, que el modelo es pacemaker con neumáticos 18 x 2.50 y me encantan los whizzer, que los conozco por mi difunto padre. Yo lo compré hace un par de años y ahora es que lo estoy haciendo andar, pues compré un pistón estándar y mi hermano me lo hizo llegar sin los aros, por lo cual no pude armar el motor. Yo indague con otras personas aquí en Cuba y resulta qué hay muchos fanáticos que tienen whizzer; como ellos resolvían el asunto del pistón de whizzer. Muchos han optado por ponerle un pistón de 62 mm o 61 mm que son semiredondos en la cabeza y, para que no tropiece el pistón con la tapa del cilindro la rebajan en un torno con la forma de la cabeza del pistón. Esto lo hacen porque sale más barato y con ello buscan más fuerza.
La realidad es que en Cuba estos whizzer son más que un entretenimiento para muchas personas, son un medio de transporte que en incontables ocasiones hacen largos recorridos. Dicho esto mi pregunta es, si un sistema TVC funciona bien en un motor antiguo y le proporciona más fuerza en la salida y si no se recalentaría el motor en un tramo largo en distancia?. Pues este es otro tema que me gustaría saber si es posible disminuirle la temperatura al motor. Aquí en Cuba hace calor todo el año por lo que estoy obligado a andar a una velocidad de 35 a 40 km / h para evitar su sobrecalentamiento. Espero que este sistema TVC me ayude al menos con el tema de la velocidad. Gracias y saludos.
 
[QUOTE = "Quenton Guenther, publicación: 376024, miembro: 2368"]
Hola,

La última producción Whizzer utilizó una CVT modificada de un scooter GY6 [Ambassador II y NE-r].

Los motores son de 138 CC y están bloqueados y realmente no funcionan bien con el CVT.
Si se quita el restrictor y se modifica el motor, todavía está cerca de la cantidad de energía que puede dedicar al sistema CVT.

Creo que se puede hacer que el sistema funcione mejor, pero dudo que alguna vez se compare con el sistema automático de embrague Whizzer [tenga en cuenta que dije embrague Whizzer, no la edición actual de Taiwán].

He trabajado en varias de las unidades Whizzer CVT y puedo ofrecer ayuda si es necesario.

Que te diviertas,
[/CITAR]
Hola disculpen que le escriba en español porque mi inglés es muy básico como para abordar este tema y logro leer sus comentarios porque mi móvil los traduce automáticamente. Yo tengo un whizzer que aquí en cuba llamamos cola de pato pero, que el modelo es pacemaker con neumáticos 18 x 2.50 y me encantan los whizzer, que los conozco por mi difunto padre. Yo lo compré hace un par de años y ahora es que lo estoy haciendo andar, pues compré un pistón estándar y mi hermano me lo hizo llegar sin los aros, por lo cual no pude armar el motor. Yo indague con otras personas aquí en Cuba y resulta qué hay muchos fanáticos que tienen whizzer; como ellos resolvían el asunto del pistón de whizzer. Muchos han optado por ponerle un pistón de 62 mm o 61 mm que son semiredondos en la cabeza y, para que no tropiece el pistón con la tapa del cilindro la rebajan en un torno con la forma de la cabeza del pistón. Esto lo hacen porque sale más barato y con ello buscan más fuerza.
La realidad es que en Cuba estos whizzer son más que un entretenimiento para muchas personas, son un medio de transporte que en incontables ocasiones hacen largos recorridos. Dicho esto mi pregunta es, si un sistema TVC funciona bien en un motor antiguo y le proporciona más fuerza en la salida y si no se recalentaría el motor en un tramo largo en distancia?. Pues este es otro tema que me gustaría saber si es posible disminuirle la temperatura al motor. Aquí en Cuba hace calor todo el año por lo que estoy obligado a andar a una velocidad de 35 a 40 km / h para evitar su sobrecalentamiento. Espero que este sistema TVC me ayude al menos con el tema de la velocidad. Gracias y saludos.
No comprendo - English Please
 
Hello, excuse me for writing to you in Spanish because my English is too basic to deal with this topic and I can read your comments because my mobile automatically translates them. I have a whizzer that we call ducktail here in Cuba, but the model is a pacemaker with 18 x 2.50 tires and I love whizzer, which I know from my late father. I bought it a couple of years ago and now I am making it work, because I bought a standard piston and my brother sent it to me without the rings, so I could not assemble the engine. I inquire with other people here in Cuba and it turns out that there are many fans who have whizzer; how they were solving the whizzer piston issue. Many have chosen to put a 62 mm or 61 mm piston that is semi-round on the head and, so that the piston does not hit the cylinder cover, they lower it on a lathe in the shape of the piston head. They do this because it is cheaper and with it they seek more strength.
The reality is that in Cuba these whizzer are more than entertainment for many people, they are a means of transportation that on countless occasions make long trips. That being said, my question is, does a TVC system work well on an older engine and give it more power at the output, and would the engine not overheat over a long distance? Well this is another topic that I would like to know if it is possible to lower the temperature of the engine. Here in Cuba it is hot all year round so I am obliged to walk at a speed of 35 to 40 km / h to avoid overheating. I hope this TVC system helps me at least with the speed issue. Thanks and regards
 
Cuba, I guess parts are hard to come by and ya got to use what ya got or modify what ya can

On vintage Whizzer motors use a high fin head with a copper head gasket. Also use a tall breather that will allows 2oz more oil to be added to the crankcase that helps with cooling.
Sure you can put a TVC on a Whizzer but I don't think it will make the motor run any cooler or hotter.
Another thing that can be done to help the motor run cooler would be to put heat coatings on the piston. combustion chamber, valves and exhaust valve port.
How about showing us a a Pic of your Vintage Whizzer (Cuban Ducktail)
 
Hello, excuse me for writing to you in Spanish because my English is too basic to deal with this topic and I can read your comments because my mobile automatically translates them. I have a whizzer that we call ducktail here in Cuba, but the model is a pacemaker with 18 x 2.50 tires and I love whizzer, which I know from my late father. I bought it a couple of years ago and now I am making it work, because I bought a standard piston and my brother sent it to me without the rings, so I could not assemble the engine. I inquire with other people here in Cuba and it turns out that there are many fans who have whizzer; how they were solving the whizzer piston issue. Many have chosen to put a 62 mm or 61 mm piston that is semi-round on the head and, so that the piston does not hit the cylinder cover, they lower it on a lathe in the shape of the piston head. They do this because it is cheaper and with it they seek more strength.
The reality is that in Cuba these whizzer are more than entertainment for many people, they are a means of transportation that on countless occasions make long trips. That being said, my question is, does a TVC system work well on an older engine and give it more power at the output, and would the engine not overheat over a long distance? Well this is another topic that I would like to know if it is possible to lower the temperature of the engine. Here in Cuba it is hot all year round so I am obliged to walk at a speed of 35 to 40 km / h to avoid overheating. I hope this TVC system helps me at least with the speed issue. Thanks and regards
Cuba, I guess parts are hard to come by and ya got to use what ya got or modify what ya can

On vintage Whizzer motors use a high fin head with a copper head gasket. Also use a tall breather that will allows 2oz more oil to be added to the crankcase that helps with cooling.
Sure you can put a TVC on a Whizzer but I don't think it will make the motor run any cooler or hotter.
Another thing that can be done to help the motor run cooler would be to put heat coatings on the piston. combustion chamber, valves and exhaust valve port.
How about showing us a a Pic of your Vintage Whizzer (Cuban Ducktail)
Cuba, I guess parts are hard to come by and ya got to use what ya got or modify what ya can

On vintage Whizzer motors use a high fin head with a copper head gasket. Also use a tall breather that will allows 2oz more oil to be added to the crankcase that helps with cooling.
Sure you can put a TVC on a Whizzer but I don't think it will make the motor run any cooler or hotter.
Another thing that can be done to help the motor run cooler would be to put heat coatings on the piston. combustion chamber, valves and exhaust valve port.
How about showing us a a Pic of your Vintage Whizzer (Cuban Ducktail)
 

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Here I send you photos of my engine with a 61mm piston and a high fin cylinder cover. Now many here in Cuba have told me that this carter I have is 8 ounces, so if you tell me that I can add two more ounces it would be 10 ounces. Also many here have told me that the CVT would not work well in my engine because of the rpm that it can develop which are low. I want to buy the manual that they sell printed to know the parameters in which these engines work. I have seen some videos of the ambassador whizzer with CVT and it seems to run very well, but these modern whizzer engines work with more reversals? If it really is difficult to get the original parts here, but we make use of the resources as you say we have on hand. I am thinking of using the variable speed drive of a gy6 engine, only I do not know which one would work best for my engine, the gy6 50cc, 125cc or 150cc. Of course, this is due to the rpm my motor can provide. If you could help me with suggestions I would appreciate it.
 
The motor you have takes 8 oz of oil I see you already have the tall breather. Motors with the short breather take 6 oz of oil.
I see you already have a high fin high compression head.
I have never tried to put a TVC on a Whizzer All's I know is your gonna need a strong motor.
Your cyl has been boared out for a 61mm piston. Stock piston was 2.25 or 57mm . Your motor should turn out to be a very strong motor
A high lift cam and a 1' intake valve would be a good idea for making more power
Hope your modifications work out good for you.
Here is another Idea to make more power www.pbseng.com/whizzer/ Over Head Valve Kit
 
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