Ventura CA really cracking down on MBs.

Discussion in 'Laws, Legislation & Emissions' started by Zev0, Dec 8, 2009.

  1. Zev0

    Zev0 Member

  2. augidog

    augidog New Member

    and so it begins. it looks like the tougher enforcement will still be on a case-by-case for now.

    luckily, imo, for the CA riders, there is already some MB definition so there IS a way for them to keep riding...

    this does worry me for riders in un-defined areas, they may face instant shut-down if things get too boisterous on their roads.

    that was a fair news report of the situation, imo, not just anti-MB...thanks Zev' :)
  3. arceeguy

    arceeguy Active Member

    If those are the rules in CA, you might as well drive a motorcycle since you pretty much need all of the same prerequisites.
  4. Happy Valley

    Happy Valley Active Member

    Thanks for picking up on this though it ain't the best kind of news for our interest. Gonna C+P it here just so it stays in print for reference. Everybody should read (into) it.

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  5. ibdennyak

    ibdennyak Guest

    Almost sounds like the police are being forced to take action in the interest of safety.
  6. Scotchmo

    Scotchmo Member

    The prerequisites are similar but not the same by a long shot. It is easy to build and register your own moped. Not that easy for a motorcycle. The motorcycle has more stringent title, lighting, pollution and equipment requirements. The motorcycle requires that it be registered every year in order to ride it and you must provide proof of insurance. You have ongoing costs owning and using a motorcycle. With a moped, you can leave it parked in the garage and haul it out once every few years if you want. Mopeds have a unique niche in the law.

    The article was wrong about bike lanes. They should have said bike paths. Bike lanes are legal to use. And their use is dictated when the moped cannot keep pace with traffic. When you can keep up, you are allowed to ride in traffic.
  7. LostRider

    LostRider New Member

    Not a Motorized Bike Under Section 406(a)

    406. (a) A "motorized bicycle" or "moped" is any two-wheeled or three-wheeled device having fully operative pedals for propulsion by human power, or having no pedals if powered solely by electrical energy, and an AUTOMATIC transmission and a motor which produces less than 2 gross brake horsepower and is capable of propelling the device at a maximum speed of not more than 30 miles per hour on level ground.

    The motorized bike doesn't have an AUTOMATIC transmission... Automatic transmission (not clutches) are the CVTs in mopeds...right? Or is an automatic transmission simply one that doesn't shift?

    What do you guys think? Just register anyways? :confused:

    Link to getting the plate:

    PS. The $18 fee is a one time only fee which I'd gladly pay not to be hassled.
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  8. 1 low 64

    1 low 64 New Member

    That's it I quit! I'm going to go back to killing people at least that's not as frowned upon.:censored:
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  9. Scotchmo

    Scotchmo Member

    The “automatic transmission” requirement is not well defined in the California vehicle code. The California “automatic transmission” definition should be included in the code along the lines of other states. Here are a few other states:

    “a direct or automatic power drive system which requires no clutch or gear shift operation by the moped driver after the drive system is engaged with the power unit.”
    “The moped must have a power drive system that does not require shifting gears and cannot have a top speed exceeding 30 mph on level surfaces.”
    “Is equipped with a power drive system that functions directly or automatically only and does not require clutching or shifting by the operator after the system is engaged.”

    The HT engine usually has a lever to disengage the engine so that you can pedal the bike. Once the bike is moving, you can engage the engine. The only purpose of the “clutch” lever is to engage or disengage the engine. No other action is required while you are riding. Since you do not have to use the “clutch” to take off, and since there is no shifting, it meets the intent of the law.

    If your worried about it, you could always add the centrifugal clutch to the HT engine. You can still retain the manual “clutch” but now you also have an “AUTOMATIC transmission” too.

    P.S. The fee was $18 last year, and $19 this year, and will be $20 next year. I think it goes up $1/year by law. But you only pay it one time and then your bike is "free" as long as you own it.
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  10. fm2200

    fm2200 Member

    I've read that in southern Arizona the cops have been ticketing gas bikes for excessive speed for about a year or more. Then citing them for improper use (not having been registered as a moped)
  11. sangesf

    sangesf New Member

    Let's face it. The majority of people that want to ride a gas powered bike are the ones who lost their license.

    Bicycle with a motor makes you still have a valid license tho :(
  12. happycheapskate

    happycheapskate Active Member

    You don't own it if the state can take it from you without a warrant or seize it for not paying a fine/fee/tax. The state owns it. :whistling:

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  13. happycheapskate

    happycheapskate Active Member

    That may be true. But I don't believe a motorized bicycle should require a license to operate. There are plenty of laws about the operation of them, and those should be enforced (no motoring on sidewalks, no terrorizing pedestrians, no operation in areas forbidden to motor vehicles, no operation on the freeway of a motor bicycle, no traveling against traffic direction).

    BTW I am a commercial truck driver with valid license.

  14. Zev0

    Zev0 Member

    I, for one, am in favor of having a drivers license to ride an MB. That keeps the little kiddies out of the mess. Of course they still ride them, but easier to get busted when a youngster with no DL.

    And don't tell me, well, ok if you're over 18 no license required. Do you expect the police to stop everyone and check?

    If you ride a MB, you should have to have a license, in any state. Plain and simple.
  15. happycheapskate

    happycheapskate Active Member

    Yuck. You WANT more regulation, taxation, and confiscation? Hope more well armed lambs want free riding of MB vehicles, like some people already enjoy. :)

    I specifically built and ride this motor bicycle because in TX I do not have to pay fees or taxes (not talking about gasoline, I'm talking about ownership/registry) , registration, or inspection, or succumb to the state's outrageous mandatory minimum insurance rates. I can ride my poor bike to my poor job and come to my poor home with a little money at the end of the week.
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  16. Mountainman

    Mountainman Active Member

    I thought that in Calif the max speed allowed was 20mph ??

    and if we are all being truly honest here
    an automatic should be able to come to a stop without pulling in anyTHING to disengage
    so a HT with a clutch would not be legal

    Calif does not have a CC limit -- we have a HP limit = 2 HP

    and it appears
    but really is NOT RIGHT
    each little City can make up their own MB laws so as to add to Calif laws
    this hopefully will be challenged someday in a court of law -- appealed to a higher court

    ride that THING
  17. Scotchmo

    Scotchmo Member

    The speed limit is 30 mph for gas mopeds.

    Many states say “ an automatic transmission or single speed transmission” or “ a transmission that does not have to be shifted“. California just says “an automatic transmission “. It does not say an “automatic clutch”. A transmission is for selecting gears. A clutch is for engaging or disengaging the engine.

    Definitions of automatic transmission on the Web:

    a transmission that automatically changes the gears according to the speed of the car
    - wordnetweb

    An automatic transmission (commonly "AT" or "Auto") is an automobile gearbox that can change gear ratios automatically as the vehicle moves, freeing the driver from having to shift gears manually. ...

    A transmission that selects gears automatically based on the power required in various driving situations and conditions.

    So by these definitions, even an automatic clutch would not suffice, since in order to have an “automatic transmission” you need more than one gear and it needs to shift automatically. California needs to add “ or single speed transmission”. A single speed transmission requires no shifting. If they really mean automatic clutch, they should say that. Right now, it is not clear. The California DMV does not provide a definition for "automatic transmission".

    Has anyone ever been cited for not having an automatic transmission?
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  18. loquin

    loquin Active Member


    if you have a one-speed transmission, the 'transmission' automatically shifts from 'first gear' to 'first gear' ... ;-)


    I can't say I'm surprised. We had a discussion about idiot MB riders screwing things up for everyone, about 18 months ago. I was visiting the Carlsbad/Oceanside area, and while driving through downtown Oceanside (at about 9:00 in the evening... just after dark, anyway) had a MB rider pass me in the bike lane, going about 35 (cars were moving at about 25.) He whipped left in front of me, through the lane AND the turn lane & turned left into a side street front of an oncoming car, which had to hit the brake to avoid having an unwanted hood ornament. I turned left on the main drag inland a block later, get to a shopping area about a mile away, on the other side of I-5, and while driving though the parking lot, this (I believe) same moron came down the hill, blew through the stop sign, and I had to slam the brakes to avoid hitting him. It was a busy 4-way stop, there were about 4 or 5 cars working their way through the intersection from the bike's direction. I had the right -of-way and was in the intersection when the guy shot past the front of my car, two feet from the bumper. He could literally touched the hood as he shot by. I never saw him until he blew past the last car at the stop sign.

    That's exactly the kind of behavior that'll get the whole world PO'ed at motorized bikes.
    Last edited: Dec 21, 2009
  19. Zev0

    Zev0 Member

    Loquin, those are also the type of guys that don't have or have lost their licenses.
  20. happycheapskate

    happycheapskate Active Member

    re: Loquin post
    "Where's the cops when you need them?"
    That guy (the no lights speeding reckless mb rider) should be arrested and tested for insanity and intoxication.