What's YOUR beef with the Gubmint?

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by sparky, Jun 21, 2009.

  1. sparky

    sparky Active Member

    This will be the last political thread I participate in. I PROMISE! :whistling:

    Somebody said I had a vague set of rules that I required before I considered myself apart of American society again. I thought about it, and he was right. Now to list my beef...

    (1) Healthcare

    The whole system is broken. I'd prefer to put all the health insurance companies out of business from the get go and give everybody who's paying taxes a piece of the healthcare pie that so many civilized countries are able to provide for all their citizens, even the ones without jobs. I'm not saying it'd be necessary to provide the non-taxed with health insurance, but it'd certainly be within reach without the overhead and profit of multiple health insurance companies.

    As much as I'd like this, Obama cannot replace all the insurance companies at once. Not that there'd be financial or societal chaos, but he'd be assassinated. Everybody knows it too. So, he's at least giving them an extra chance at the job by only competing with them. Good for him, better for us that we're letting socialized healthcare out of the gates. 72% are for Obama's plan, while only 20% are against it (citation). I think the people are smart enough to know what's best for the country. Some even want the unemployed supported under a universal healthcare plan, but I don't know if I could go that far. However, if the hospitals will still be required to administer aid to the unemployed... what sense is there to give the unemployed an outrageous bill that everybody knows they wouldn't be able to afford on their own?

    (2) Taxation

    I'm convinced that our quadruple tax system is retarded. I'm with Kerf.... all taxes should be collected at the point of sale, never again to be taxed again. Some things should have a slightly higher tax, also. Primarily, gasoline should be taxed more than anything. Other things that I'd like taxed (if it meant healthcare for everyone) are: alcohol, tobacco, & sodas with Aspartame or HFCS (high fructose corn syrup). A study recently showed that when you tell cigarette smokers of the health benefits they would enjoy if they stopped smoking, these smokers had a lesser chance of stopping than the smokers who were told of the financial benefits of quitting this nasty habit. Cigarettes are disgusting, and I've yet to meet a smoker that didn't say cigarettes were their #1 vice. I'm not spending their money for them. If they want to keep smoking, they still can. But I'd like them to see the health benefits sooner rather than later, and if that means getting them to see the financial benefits first... so be it. And if it provides healthcare for all, they should finally feel good about smoking. :ack2:

    (3) Democracy 2.0

    The Federal Government should be supporting and operating http://www.congress.org (which would obviously be renamed as http://www.congress.gov), a site where activists can truly participate within their government. They should take that site a step further than just allowing you to contact and track the way federal congressmen have voted. It should allow you to easily see the entire text of all upcoming and past bills. It should allow users to comment on each bill like a forum, but with a ranking system similar to Digg. It should require all states to use the same platform... like http://ms.congress.gov for Mississippi.

    Perhaps direct democracy is a pipe dream... but even if people don't get to vote and are only allowed to actively participate in every way other than directly voting on any bill (even comparing mock votes to the actual outcome of a bill would be interesting to say the least). And at least congressmen could be tested randomly on every bill they plan to vote on, until they pass the test. Even if it takes them 4 times to pass the test on one bill, or if they need to cheat with the senator next to them... they should be tested, and this platform provides the people with all the power they need for such a large country. Voting for honest representatives would be A LOT easier this way, and that's really what I'm after. Politicians would change their act before we'd need to flush out the entire House of Representatives, which is what we'll have to do if we ignore the numerous advantages to political social networking.

    (4) Employment 2.0

    Then the Fed. Government should be supporting another site that aids with linking employers to employees. Why do I need to know about monster.com , careerbuilder.com , snagajob.com , bettergulfcoastjobs.com , etc.?? Why doesn't the government replace them with one central location to find the best candidate from the largest possible selection? Furthermore, the government could extend this aid to employment by making all school text books and work training manuals available for free thru this website. You sign up one time, take a personality test, and look at a recommendation of possible careers you might enjoy. You can then start reading training manuals for any field whatsoever, and when you know that you're zeroing in one specific field or even specific employer, it will be A LOT easier to find employment. It allows you to see what careers are open with specific employers, and it allows the employer to only see who isn't happy with their current job. It's a win-win-win situation.

    I'm sure I could come up with one or two other things... but these are the four biggest things I think about ALL the time. When the government meets all four of these requests... I will most definitely be PROUD to be an American. Until then, I am still the rebel with a cause.

    What causes are you fighting for?

  2. Skyliner70cc

    Skyliner70cc Active Member

    Folks who smoke should be taxed less because they actually save the government more money in the long run then those who have healthy habits and draw social security longer.
  3. Pablo

    Pablo Motored Bikes Sponsor

    People who get ANY of my MANY tax dollars in any form of a handout should take and pass a P test.
  4. sparky

    sparky Active Member

    Thanks Pablo... you reminded me of one other thing that I'd like to see changed.

    (5) Marijuana

    It does no good to keep it illegal, other than to support the many industries that would suffer if it were legal - cotton, paper, rope, fuel, pharmaceutical, tobacco, and maybe even alcohol. Of course the government would get less money thru contributions from these industries, and they'd also get less money from the repossessions of drug dealers' homes, cars, yachts, guns, etc. The only good is that the government supports everybody that the people wouldn't want supported, like the drug cartel itself, so it's really only good for the plutocrats (business as usual). If I could go in a store and purchase an ounce of dank for $300, the government could tax it by $100 for all I care, because I'd never have to mess with shady people again. No more gateway theories, because it will be much harder for me to find the folks with crack, heroine, meth, ecstasy, etc.

    Also, something else I was thinking of while on the John...

    (6) Constitution

    We should take this piece of work more seriously. We should also consider the benefits of adding multiple presidents (say five?) and shortening their terms to 3 years, instead of 4. Shortening the terms of senators to 4 years, instead of 6, might be extremely beneficial as well.

    Neither of these beefs are nearly as important to me as my first 4 beefs, tho.
  5. SirJakesus

    SirJakesus Guest

    They generally infringe on our rights. They tax too much. They spend too much. And they're turning this country into a bunch of socialist whiners.
  6. sparky

    sparky Active Member

    At the rate they're going, I think we'll all be economic slaves, more akin to Chinese laborers than to "socialist whiners". We'll all just have to take it the way the government shells it out to us, and when we dissent, they'll shut us up.

    Now... if we had something like Democracy 2.0, I don't think we'd have 90% of the problems we have today.
  7. machiasmort

    machiasmort Active Member

    I disagree with the P test. I feel I'm unfairly discriminated against. Some people choose to do coke which is only detectable in urine for 3 days. Pot can be found months latter and lead to the Employer discrimination.

    Beyond that Sparky should be put on the RED list! LOL!

    Ain't smoked in years but it helps with my pain some times.
  8. Pablo

    Pablo Motored Bikes Sponsor

    So my money should go to people who use drugs? No way!!
  9. bluegoatwoods

    bluegoatwoods Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't even call this thread political. I would characterize it as something more like "social policy". (But then "politics" AT IT'S BEST is social policy. So maybe I'm nit-picking)

    I'm pretty much in agreement with you on those points.

    I'm afraid I dislike any philosophy along the lines of "You're not like us, so you don't get to share in the goodies." I can't prove this, but I think that even in a true utopia we'd find that there are a few free-loaders. Possibly because a few people are simply "defective" from birth. The best way to handle them (for everyone) is to just let them get away with it and see to it that they don't starve. It wouldn't be very expensive. In any society that has more than just a few of these folks the reason for the difference is because of some sort of social problem (discrimination might be one example and there are others) that demoralizes some. Punishing them is selfish and even evil.

    There are those who don't trust the government to implement your suggestions (and other policies) honestly and efficiently. This is a perfectly reasonable fear and should be guarded against. But I am much more fearful of the consequences of government abdicating it's duties to private parties. This is a far more certain path to a rotten society.

    America is a measurably less desirable society than it was when I was a boy precisely because private parties have been allowed to push individuals around with more and more impunity.

    I can't see anyone to turn to other than government for protection.
  10. Skyliner70cc

    Skyliner70cc Active Member

    I met a customer at my pharmacy who was 17 years old and on her 4th child all fathered by different men. She is officially a welfare queen and we taxpayers will continue paying her to reproduce.
  11. scokes

    scokes Member

    What I hate about our gov't in particular is how "we" and I mean they can fool mainstream America into fighting for their cause. All major wars have been staged to get the public behind them. I have seen too many conspiracy films. Anyone know of a place I can rent in Canada or Mexico?

    Another thing is the Taxation issue. I am still paying the man back taxes from not filing for about 4 years (I heard you could go 4 years without filing before evasion charges would be handed out) Talk about un-constitutional!

    Pro / Con - opposites, right?

    Progress / Congress
  12. kerf

    kerf Guest

    Man, that's about dumb, everyone knows that tax thing only works if you're part of the Obama administration.
  13. scokes

    scokes Member

    Yeah, but I figure being broke is better than being in prison....

    But I may be wrong. Three squares and a roof over my head. I would certainly miss the MB though!