[wip] no workshop friction drive build

hey guys !

just started a new project. haven't yet purchased anything as i am still desinging the thing, thinking about the mechanisms, ways to build etc.

who hasnt been thinking about a better bike kit? not me. i'd like to make a kind of kit that you strap on your bike's fork and just put a pocket bike engine, or make the whole fork with the mounts and mechanism that youd put on your bike.
well thats what i want to build!

my first bike was a 40cc chainsaw rear wheel friction drive.
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it was very good on several points:

-simple; just a chainsaw with a friction drive mounted on a plywood mount
-light; the whole motorisation added under 10kg/20lbs to the bike
-still a good bicycle; the engine caused zero friction when not used, unlike a bike kit whitch chain causes drag when pedalling or going down a hill.
-cheap; can buy an old running chainsaw for a reasonable amount of money
-a smooth riding experience; the engine caused virtually no vibrations on the bike
-closer to a bicycle than a motorcycle (less problems with cops)

-downsides-
-a bit loud
-not very reliable (plywood)
-the drive slipped on the tire quite often, causing friction and wear on the tire
-almost impossible to find spares for the chainsaw engine

here, i would fix or improve:

-reliability, with a steel construction;
-noise, whith a homemade quiet muffler;
-friction drive slipping, using a 6:11 chain reduction before the drive shaft, which allows me to use a 60mm/2 3/8" diameter drive instead of 30mm for a larger contact area with the tire;
-the engine would be on top of the wheel instead of on the side
-easy to find spares for the engine and for cheap
-even less problems with cops as it is very close to a Solex (street legal 50cc front wheel friction drive bicycle, made in France a long time ago, that required no helmet, no licence and no insurance until a few years ago, now the law says you to have to get a license plate and an insurance, but cops dont know it and none of those who know says anything if you didnt do it as solexes are rare and people are very nostalgic about those)

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-better looking bike :D
-it is still cheap (pocket bike engine is 55-60euros), light, simple (kinda), and causes no drag when not using the engine.

(designing the bike)
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I might be wrong, BUT.....

I think you'll be overgeared.*

Your existing 30mm(1.18") spindle and 26" tire has 22.02:1 ratio.

That's ok for a pocket bike engine.
28.1mph @ 8,000rpm.

A 27/9 gearbox with a 17/11 reduction and
a 26"tire/60mm(2.36")spindle = 51.08:1 final drive.

12mph @ 8,000rpm.

That's the same ratio as my very steep 1st gear on
my 8-speed motorized bicycle.

*http://jimsitton.net/ratiocalc/
 
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=17:33[/QUOTE]
its 11:17
9==>27
17==>11

Ummm, no.
Your math expressions and your
calculations are not correct.

Your present gearing is 22.02:1

17:33 is .515:1 gear ratio.
33:17 is 1.941:1 gearing.

Are you trying for 17.33:1?

9/27 = .333:1 gear ratio.
27/9 = 3:1 gear ratio.
 
There IS a simple solution to your dilemma.

Reverse the positions of the 17t/11t sprockets.
(3/1) x (17t/11t) x (26"/2.36") = 51.08:1.

(3/1) x (11t/17t) x (26"/2.36") = 21.39:1.

28.9mph @ 8,000rpm.
 
33:17!!! i was wrong when saying 17:33
THATS WHAT I AM SAYING SINCE THE BEGINNING IT HAS 9T TO 27T, 27T ITSELF CONNECTED TO 17T ON THE SAME SHAFT AND THEN GOES TO 11T
WHICH MEANS BASICALLY IF WE ADMITT THAT WE HAVE 18T SPROCKET INSTEAD
3:1 reduction, and then 2:3
so we have 6 to 2 , and 2 to 3
so we have 6 to 3
so we have 2 to 1
remove one tooth from the 18t sprocket makes 33:17
and the diameter of the wheel is absolutely useless in the math since the tire is spinning at the same speed as the friction drive (same as using the drive itself as the tire)
if the shaft has a 6cm diameter, so it has a 6 x 3.14 = 18.84cm circumference, and is spinning 4000 rpm, means 4000 x 18.84cm = 753.6 M/min, 753.6 x 60 = 45.216km/h, which is exactly 27,9617037 mph
just said 11 to 17 instead of 17 to 11
 
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just read what i write correctly in the 1st placeeeeee aaaaahhhhhhhhhhh

I would laugh, but your mistakes are not funny.

Your math is totally wrong.

Good luck.
I'm out.
 
just reversed the order in the 1st post hey, havent checked my post in the 1st place and i was sure i was right
sorry my mistake :D
also others mistakes like i did the math with 9:27 and 18:12 and said it was 18:11, also reversed many things, said 1:3 when was 3:1
so
27:9, 11:17
3:1, 11:17
33:11, 11:17
33:17
also, the calulator is made for chain drives and thats why it asks the diameter of the wheel
 
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just got what is wrong

I HAVE TO REVERSE THE TEETH NUMBERS TO GET A GEAR RATIO

but hey the math i did gave the right result, 33:17 reduction
if you consider the spindle as a drive sprocket and the tire a driven sprocket in your magic software, you maybe get the right speed, but your gear ratio is totally wrong af
we were both kinda right and kinda wrong i guess
 
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