Cagers' refusal to change consumption practices...

Discussion in 'General Questions' started by jared3377, Jul 17, 2008.

  1. jared3377

    jared3377 Member

    I was just thinking about this tonight as I drove my truck to a weekly job 30 miles away and decided save some gas:

    In a zone of 65 (double lane, mind you, and in the right lane) I decided to drive at 55 to save some gas. I figured that it was slow enough to save some gas and not too slow that it would be a real danger to other drivers.

    Well, there was this shiny black car that came right up my arse and finally passed me when an RV did, but as I saw her she was shaking her head like we were all just stupid. It was at this time I saw the BMW logo on the back of her car. Other drivers passed me, masking discontent, and I thought, "Where's the fire, man...?"

    That's just it. Really, where is the fire???
     

  2. Alaskavan

    Alaskavan Guest

    I had to drive my Subaru a couple of times this last week. I found that instead of cruising at 55, I felt comfortable going 40 - 45. I think that's due to getting used to the slower speeds when I'm using my bikes. I don't have much traffic to deal with (one or two cars in the 32 mile run), so no problems with other drivers.
     
  3. I'm guilty of that too. I used to be a lead footer. Now on the rare occasions you see me driving I'm hypermiling.
     
  4. jared3377

    jared3377 Member

    Amen, bros. I've learned a little from the hyper-milers, but I think it's also a little bit dangerous, too, unfortunately... Also, Large, I'm not sure we should have to call ourselves "guilty," you know what I mean?

    I've heard about a 55 mph limit being imposed on the US lately to save on energy, but I'm sure most are against it... :???:
     
  5. Skyliner70cc

    Skyliner70cc Active Member

    As long as you don't do it in the left lane, then you are ok as far as I'm concerned. For many, the time they say by driving faster is worth the marginal return on driving slower.
     
  6. Warner

    Warner Member


    Yeah, I'm one of them. I don't care HOW slow someone wants to drive as long as they aren't stopping people who want to go faster from doing so. In fact, there is a relatively new law in Illinois that makes it ILLEGAL to do so - even if you are going the speed limit in the left lane you can be ticketed for not letting someone pass you. Driving and living the way that you want to is fine, until/unless you want everyone else to live by the same rules that you deem proper. Live and let live, right?

    Warner
     
  7. sjackson

    sjackson Member

    I think that law is from either 2004 or 2005. It's the Drive Right / Pass Left law. I like it. Funny story, I had to take a road test when I renewed my license back then. It was literally a month after the law was passed. I knew about it. The tester didn't. She had me pull on to a two lane highway, so I immediately moved over to the right. She got mad and told me to stay in the left lane. When I explained the new law to her, she acted like she knew about it, but said it was "okay".

    Jared: On most highways, the minimum speed is something like 45 or 50, so driving 55 isn't against the law or anything. But I did just learn in a driver's safety class (got caught at a speed trap. 45mph zone dropped to 30mph with essentially no warning) that driving slower than the prevailing speed of traffic is actually dangerous. It's because all those people behind you, that want to keep up with traffic, become frustrated and anxious to switch lanes. Anytime you've got a lot of people switching lanes, it increases the chances of a collision occurring. All it takes is for one of those people to not check their blindspots, and BAM! Game over.

    So while I wholeheartedly agree with you that driving at 55 saves more gas than 65, I don't think it's worth the risk of inadvertently causing a collision, or aggravating others on the road. The amount of gas it saves is pretty marginal anyway, and at 65, you're still getting better mileage than you are in city traffic.
     
    Last edited: Jul 18, 2008
  8. duivendyk

    duivendyk Guest

    Driving above 60 mph really cuts your mpg esp. in SUV's with their large frontal area.I find it difficult now to go much faster than 45 mph on my motor bike,feels like doing something like 60+.
     
  9. ibdennyak

    ibdennyak Guest

    Hear hear. That would be my attitude I guess. If it isn't hurting me, it ain't non o my business. Might chuckle to myself at your stupidity, :shock: but that's my right. Old timer (older than me even) once said the rights of my knuckles ends where your face starts. Some of them old timers had a way with words.
     
  10. SirJakesus

    SirJakesus Guest

    People in this country just seem like they've mostly over scheduled their time and they're always running around with massive stress. Eventually they'll kill themselves from their fast driving or their self induced stress will give them a nice heart attack. Either way s*rew 'em/ As long as they stay the **** away from me.
    And yes I wish people would allow others to pass if they're traveling under the speed limit. The problem is that if you're driving the speed limit here you have cars right up your arse because apparently following the traffic laws isn't acceptable to some people.
     
  11. duivendyk

    duivendyk Guest

    The traffic laws in this country don't make much sense,innumerable speed signs that are hard to see and all sorts of different speed limits often for no discernable reason, except for cops to lie in wait &nab you I suppose,and that seem to have little to do with promoting traffic safety.Poor lane discipline that in Europe you'd never get away with.In England, if there is a speed sign it MEANS something.They put signs ON the roadbed where you can see them instead of having to LOOK for them.We would do well to adopt their roundebouts which work quite well with low density crosstraffic instead of putting stop signs everywhere and causing all sorts of delay for everyone.The fourway stop signs are an abomination.Most drivers don't know that if you arrive simultaneously,traffic to your right has the right of way.Why have STOP signs anyway a YIELD accomplishes the same thing,that is who has the right of way.
     
  12. bluegoatwoods

    bluegoatwoods Well-Known Member

    It's always seemed to me that an unspoken traffic rule is: you must drive as fast as is physically possible at all times.

    I've seen plenty of people who follow that rule. I've seen them on residential streets just blast on by, only a few feet from small children, totally unconcerned.

    We all know that if you do 65 on the freeway, you'll be passed by one car after another.

    And having a bunch of agitated drivers behind you is definitely no good at all. So in heavier traffic I drive as fast as the guy ahead of me. As a result, I've found myself doing 85 through mid-size cities when the traffic is just heavy enough to fill the roads, but not yet so heavy that things crawl to a stop. It kinda frightens me. It's crazy.
     
  13. duivendyk

    duivendyk Guest

    It's not, you adjust your speed according to safety concerns and traffic conditions,when at all possible.I have felt far safer on the Autobahns in Europe at 90 mph,than on the Beltway in DC at less than 70.European drivers (except for the French and Belgians) are more savvy and attentive than those overhere.The traffic police doesn't do an adequate job in most places in this country.All they do is nab people for speeding.What's the point of setting speed limits (often unrealistically low and sneaky ones) if people routinely ignore them.In Europe they are higher on major roads but they are enforced with stiff fines.Drunken driving penalties are also more severe.
     
  14. So a scooter is dangerous in a 30 mph zone when others want to go 45? C'mon. People just need to show some courtesy and they need to learn how to drive. To "excuse" a reckless driver trying to win the "race" going on in their minds is crazy. But then when I drive I think everyone's crazy.
    BTW,yes. A scooter IS dangerous because those in a hurry make it so,NOT the slow moving vehicle.
     
  15. eljefino

    eljefino Member

    There's a hill near me that crests, descends steeply, and has a stop sign at the bottom.

    I crest the top (in my car) at 30 despite a speed limit of 45. It only takes a couple extra seconds.

    When I restrict the traffic behind me, I'm saving them gas as well as myself. I feel very self-righteous. :)

    They say most SUV styling is meant to intimidate. I refuse to be intimidated, especially by those oversize push bumpers with the headlight protectors etc.

    If traffic is thick I'll totally let a car/motorcycle/bicycle/commercial truck/bus pull in front of me. Not so for SUVs and unladen trucks. I want to subtly get through that such vehicles are ungainly and take longer from door-to-door.

    Yes I'm a jerk. The one place I chicken out is I don't do a Nelson-style "haw-haw" at gas stations. ;)