dremel multi-max cutting bit: a surprisingly elegant clutch cable lock screw replacement

Discussion in '2-Stroke Engines' started by Nate888, Sep 14, 2016.

  1. Nate888

    Nate888 Member

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    I wound & tied the cable thru the little holes in the bit, then once I dialed the setting in correctly & made sure it was secure I sealed it in w/ cyanoacrylate adhesive.

    This & my air filter (steel sunscreen spray can w/ lots of big holes wrapped in layers of very-fine to medium-fine dress socks) are the 2 'redneck repairs' I've done that I'm actually proud of :p
     

  2. skyash

    skyash Active Member

    If it's to hold the cable in place ?can't make out much of the pic its just wire and a bit of metal in a mess .you just feed the cable through the hole in the clutch arm then do up a nut and bolt with big washers on it .you don't need a hole in the bolt like the stock cable thing holder/stopper squish the cable in the washers or go around the bolt once the do it up.
     
  3. Nate888

    Nate888 Member

    yeah, the cable runs thru the multi-max attachment, which holds the cable in place that way. I'd made a work around before that was just clamping the cable between washers on a bolt, kinda like what you said I think, but it took me like 40 very painful minutes to get it locked in the right tension that way. this way was super easy
     
  4. Nate888

    Nate888 Member

    hopefully these pics might be clearer 20160915_114639.jpg 20160915_114649.jpg 20160915_114653.jpg
     
  5. skyash

    skyash Active Member

    Yeah it can be tricky to use the washers lol....think I get it now it's one of those vibration cutter blades right..are you gonna cut the flat plate off and just keep the holy bit ?
     
  6. Steve Best

    Steve Best Active Member

    Nate, I am as aesthetically challenged as they come, but even to me, that is a mess.
    Couldn't you drill and tap the clutch arm for an M3 or M4 clamp screw?
    Couldn't you drill and tap a piece of rod to make a clutch cable lock?
    Drills and taps this size are cheap. Less than $5 and you have then forever.
    The clutch cable lock is only $3.
     
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  7. FurryOnTheInside

    FurryOnTheInside Active Member

  8. zippinaround

    zippinaround Active Member

    hahah very elegant indeed! i love it , never mind the others they dont see the beauty.
     
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  9. Nate888

    Nate888 Member

    thanks - it's on the list of things to upgrade, but exhaust; new throttle handle & cable; better routing & beefing up electrical connections; new seat; adding a better housing/enclosure for cdi & wiring... & probably a fresh coat of paint are all ahead of it in the queue, since this is secure for now

    & to clarify, attached is a pic of the same attachment on its own 20160916_123938.jpg
     
  10. Frankenstein

    Frankenstein Active Member

    I'm with Steve.... I used to have a large gawky bright blue milk crate on my bike with lots of reflection tape and zip ties galore and bread ties with duct tape on the brightly colored wires. I probably wore my shirt inside out and looked very dorky that day and I loved it.

    That blade just looks awful and thinking about disassembly or adjustment makes my stomach leap.

    I found that drilling a 1/16th hole in a quarter 20 bolt near the head and using a nylon lock nut works great. Also a friend came to me with these wonderful cable locks, like really nice quality, big too, like the size of a dime, very easy to manipulate and use.
     
  11. jatgm1

    jatgm1 Member

    i use two wire stops, one before the arm and one after, to secure it. along with the screw that is actually in the arm to secure the wire. that seems sorta pointless but its just me i guess. i dont see what the goal your trying to accomplish is. it doesnt seem like it would make it easier to take it off or put it on if your threading it through like that, and it doesnt seem faster or anything. i guess it could make it screwless but it seems like it may slip out. its kinda cool i guess but it seems like a lessening of reliability for no apparent gain.
     
  12. butre

    butre Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure I'd call whatever it is I'm looking at "elegant". maybe "rat's nest"
     
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  13. Nate888

    Nate888 Member

    it's firmly in the makeshift (aka 'dammit, the clutch cable screw is the only thing holding me back from having my motored bike running tonight, so sh!t, what quick & resourceful hack can I throw together to get over this last hurdle right now & still be mostly pretty safe??') category of mods. you shouldn't go from stock to this except in a pinch, or unless maybe you indulge a really messy & avant garde sense of style or something

    that said, for what it is, it works damn well & was easier/faster to install than the stock equipment. it's also had less loosening, but most likely that's largely b/c i bought a better cable at the bike store this time
     
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  14. jatgm1

    jatgm1 Member

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-Wire-Sto...703549?hash=item541e6cdbfd:g:-5QAAOSwrklVR6Lt

    using two of these will allow less loosening. thats what i do. though i suppose that does work in a pinch i would be afraid of it getting caught in something longterm. also if you want to save money in the long-haul you can buy cables without a sheath online, and buy the sheath by the foot. on a whole its cheaper if you plan on using it for a while or making multiple bikes. ebay is cheaper but responsible for longer wait times. the bike store i go to price gouges.
     
  15. FurryOnTheInside

    FurryOnTheInside Active Member

    Those are knarps. So why two? Is it so you can take the cable off and then put it it back on clamped in the same place more easily?
     
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  16. Frankenstein

    Frankenstein Active Member

    Those are nearly identical to the ones I was talking about, only difference is ours are brass cylinder, and a Philips screw.

    I'd also like to know why 2, I can see 2 on the outside but not so much one inside, I could see one inside creating extra stress on the cable, maybe. I have the clutch arm with a screw, I use that as well..

    I can vouch a thousand times on that style cable stop. I used to use a locking pin back prior to being introduced to this kind, the only problem was the set screw was a little smaller than a screw found in a pair of glasses lol... Good thing my vision is great.
     
  17. FurryOnTheInside

    FurryOnTheInside Active Member

    That does sound very small. Perhaps you had the ones made for a throttle cable and it is smaller than the (only ones I've seen) ones for BMX U-brakes.
    Apparently they are used commonly for mopeds and stuffzz.
    Short:
    http://www.treatland.tv/moped-short-knarp-cable-stop-p/moped-short-knarp.htm
    Mini: http://www.treatland.tv/moped-mini-knarp-cable-stop-p/moped-mini-knarp.htm
    Miniest!
    http://www.treatland.tv/moped-miniest-knarp-cable-stop-ever-p/moped-miniest-knarp.htm
    And loads more
     
  18. jatgm1

    jatgm1 Member

    exactly, so when its taken off, the place is held more easily, just slip it back on and go, instead of trying to figure out exactly where it was before. i also have one where the clutch cable comes out of the, umm, screw thingy in the crank case. i pull the clutch lever fully, and put it just a little past where the closest place i can get to the screw thingy throttle cable holder thingy is. thats more of a peace of mind thing with that though, its not really that useful. i also like to know how much the lever pulls the cable for reference purposes. (23mm with a stock specialized hardrock handbrake if anyone happened to be curious.)
     
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  19. jatgm1

    jatgm1 Member

    also im still unclear if the "elegant" reference was sarcastic or not. i could maybe see that with only the semicircle part, but with the square part not so much.
    also, if there is more stress on the cable due to the second one im yet to see any symptoms, however if there is i will post them so you know that it could be a bad idea. and ive had this setup for quite some time. also, i just posted those because they were the first ebay result, however the pack of stops i ordered had 4 of each three sizes and were indeed brass with a philips screw. i can send pictures of the setup upon request.
     
  20. FurryOnTheInside

    FurryOnTheInside Active Member

    Makes sense! :)

    "screw thingy in the crank case" = barrel adjuster cable stop. Weirdly a knarp can also be called a cable stop but all the "thingys" on the bike frame are cable stops even though they stop the cable outer / sleeve. :)

    While we're talking about useful little possibly obscure things. There are clamp on cable stops which might be useful (in a pair) to get rid of some of the clutch cable outer, and reduce the amount of flex and drag. Only if you can find one that fits your down tube. :)
    https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/gear-spares/black-286-mm-origin8-clampon-double-frame-cable-stop/
     
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