Noob already becoming OCD from this forum!

Discussion in 'Introduce Yourself' started by ABCity, Sep 3, 2012.

  1. ABCity

    ABCity New Member

    Hi Everyone,
    I'm Jane, live in NorCal and have spent my entire holiday weekend pouring through the threads here. There are some amazing folks posting, and amazingly creative/talented folks as well. I wanted to start by thanking everyone who lends their knowledge and experience to these forums, It can take a ton of time to decipher what some folks are even asking, let alone responding thoughtfully :)

    I'm so full of impatient questions, because you KNOW I already want the perfect set up (for me) as of yesterday, but I'm going to try and spend another couple of days absorbing the older posts before I start asking. Looking forward to some great conversations.


  2. Lunardog

    Lunardog Member

    Welcome to our addiction. Enjoy.
  3. The_Aleman

    The_Aleman Active Member

    Welcome to the forum! There's enough knowledge here to put your creativity to good use :D
  4. curtisfox

    curtisfox Member

    WELCOME aboard,read,read and all the questions will be answerd.And if you tired of this here is another Good luck .............Curt
  5. ABCity

    ABCity New Member

    Thanks everyone, appreciate the welcome! Curt, I've already been scrolling through that link, as well as a couple of others...
    Mind swirling - its hard because i dont know enough about just regular bicycles let alone all of "this" terrified of asking the stupidest questions ever ;-)
    It's tempting to just put up a poll asking who to hire!
    Though my self confidence isnt totally in the toilet as last time i poked around anything even remotely like this, i not only turned into a wooden boat builder, i ended up hiring a marine architect because the perfect boat "for me" didnt I can a bit overboard:devilish:
  6. The_Aleman

    The_Aleman Active Member

    Sounds like you have a bit of a perfectionist streak in ya heh heh. I know the feeling! It's just as easy to keep one of these simple as it is to get overly complicated about it.

    IMHO, a good start might be to get a simple rear-mount 4-stroke friction-drive kit, that way you have a simple bike to ride around. Like from here:

    The mount might need a lil bit of finesse and tinkering, but the 4-stroke kit has a cheap reliable entry-level engine. The 2-stroke kits cost roughly the same, but they can be hard to get here in California due to our emissions laws. Many people here have started out with the 2-stroke kits, and I've put enough miles on them myself to prefer the 4-stroke engine reliability.

    If you have a bike to ride around, it kinda makes for less stress when you're building a perfect MaB! Just my thoughts :D
  7. ABCity

    ABCity New Member

    Mr. Aleman...
    No argument on most of what you said, I've already decided that it will be a 4 stroke for many many reasons, though I'm not sold on a friction set up....for many reasons ;-)
    As for the mount, I'm open to rear,as well as both other options. My first concern is the frame...sturdy, with enough suspension to accommodate my country setting.....large enough to accommodate the motor (if i choose a frame mount) but SMALL ENOUGH for my somewhat short frame (29" inseam) and want just a hare more than my tippy toes to touch pavement from the seat.... am open to 24 or 26....road, mountain or even as serious as a downhill.....very open

    and of course like everybody else i want torque and speed (torque more important), a engine that has been as reasonably upgraded as possible.

    The best wheels, with the best brake set up, cushy fat tires with a tube that wont puncture (slimed)....CVT...the ability to pedal at all times (3-7 gears).....a small electrical system...and I AM a style ***** at heart, of course. Hopefully I havent made too many embarrassing statements!
  8. Fabian

    Fabian Well-Known Member

    If you are not sold on a friction drive, please talk to FrictonNut.
    He will spend many hours exhausting precious oxygen; taking it away from others that desperately need it to live.

    In the end, you "will" get a friction drive just to keep the guy happy!
  9. ABCity

    ABCity New Member

    ROFL....sounds like a familiar streak - I spent half of last night convincing a young business associate why it is important to engage and VOTE, i think in the end that he agreed just to shut me up
  10. The_Aleman

    The_Aleman Active Member

    Well, the friction kit will allow you to have full suspension, full freedom of pedaling, and it can work on just about any size bike fairly easy. High speed or torque, that depends on the roller size, it's difficult to get both at the same time with the smaller engines that typically go with such a kit. Might have to rely on pedaling for torque!

    Rackmount chain- or belt-drive - also same benefits of friction drive, with the added benefit of working no matter the weather conditions. Friction drives can slip in wet and/or muddy conditions. The same power limitation applies, you'll likely end up having to pedal for torque.

    Framemounts...those I myself prefer (I love my rack-mounted side-baskets!) but in 4-stroke guise they too have their drawbacks. They are rather wide (making wide cranks necessary which reduce pedal torque) and they don't readily accommodate rear suspension. A CVT would make it even wider and you'd typically lose your ability to pedal the bike effectively unless you freewheel the CVT output. Using a freewheel on a CVT significantly reduces it's function (you lose engine braking) and introduces drivetrain slop everytime you'd get back on the throttle. There are also no CVTs readily available for smaller 4-strokes, you'd practically be forced to run a larger engine, such as one from Harbor Freight.

    So in the end, you'll have to compromise somewhere. You may have to compromise more than you think, depending on what you insist on your bike having!
  11. ABCity

    ABCity New Member

    Great info and perspective, cannot thank you enough. I am leaning away from friction as it rains 6 months of the year here, and since its country living, that means slop. I havent seen another post yet that logically lays out the drawbacks on a CVT, so that is much appreciated! I definitely need to dig into that issue a bit more, but seeing as a CVT seems like a lux item, i dont think it will break my heart to give it up. LOL< you think its time to move this discussion into another forum?
  12. V 35

    V 35 Member

    My advice is, ride all the bicycles you can. Cruiser bikes make the best motorbikes, the coaster brake can be fitted with a clamshell hub,
    resulting in a safe, smooth running bike. Caliper brakes, and a combo lever are a huge plus, all 3 brakes can be deployed, and clutch squeezed in. Speed is limited by road surface. Mountain Bikes are shorter wheelbased, can be twitchy at speed. Don't use knobby tires, the vibration will numb your hands.

    Your build skills would determine what's the best setup,
    a frame mount requires some metalworking skill to get the
    motor mounts, and chain tensioner safely mounted. A local
    muffler shop may help with welding, they usually have torches,
    and a MIG full of small wire.

    If your a ' nut ' for detail [ like me ] figure on a quick build
    to test the concept, than a second build to refine it. Paint is
    another story, my last build took a couple months to paint.

    Cost ? The more ' you ' the more $ Good luck
  13. ABCity

    ABCity New Member

    Thanks for the input - great info on mountain bike drawback - you folks are great for a getting me up to speed on my education (all puns intended) - caliper and not drum - interesting - why? As for tires, am i correct in thinking fat tires might ad to a comfy ride? And am i also correct that a 24" tire is going to produce a bike that has a lower standover height but is less efficient to move? BTW, can you switch out tire sizes or are the frames made for only one or the other? And is there such a think as an aluminum frame than can survive a pounding?

    As for a cruiser - I guess i could ad suspension forks on the front - also to smooth out some of the bumps, correct? And I am a nut, like you, trust me on that one ;-)
    As with designing a boat, I am thinking frame decisions first much like hull decisions first: but i need to understand all the factors in a big picture kind of way before settling on the frame choice.

    Let me ad a few details of how i see this bike being used: 14mi round trip to work on Highway one, along the mendo coast: so plenty of hills, dry for six months, wet for six months, and wet includes leaves, mud, pine needles and road kill avoidance maneuvers: The long driveway is gravel, most friends driveways are dirt. Remember ...I'm SHORT.

    What do we think about a hybrid gas/electric - using the electric to occasionally kick in some extra torque ( i know, the weight might mitigate some of the benefit). Now I am not a "survivalist" but a very tiny tiny tiny corner of my brains says that having three forms of power: pedal/gas/electric, might have some benefit when the end of the world comes, and besides I love the image of me as a stealthy (quiet) ninja jane bond as well :::sly smile:::....but i digress, and if i tell you too much about me, I'd have to kill you - and there a a lot of "you's" on this forum!
  14. curtisfox

    curtisfox Member

    A 24" would not be less efficient to operate,its just that you get less distance travel per diamiter of tire. Just need to chang grears for same seep as 26" There a lot of guys running 24" tires and if you are short and feal better with them buy all means use them. Its your bike build it the way you want, like said build the patern first then refine it or build the second one. I would forget about the electric part untill you have a finial plan or build,also friction drive is not the best in wet conditions the rollor loses traction.............Curt
  15. ABCity

    ABCity New Member

    Thanks curt, am happy to gain a little knowledge about tire size and effect - and I already know I am not going with a friction set up! Am going into the big city today (Santa Rosa) to eye up some bikes, get a feel for height, frame strength and geometry etc. Woohoo, an outing!