Wheel building

Discussion in 'Transmission / Drivetrain' started by Frankfort MB's, Jul 31, 2016.

  1. Frankfort MB's

    Frankfort MB's Well-Known Member

    Ive recently been experimenting with some old wheels by respoking them. I just got all the spokes off and the hub off.

    I'm going to end up building a specialty built MB wheel if it's cheaper than buying one of equivalent quality...... Hopefully going tomorrow to price wheels at a local bike shop.

    I still need an answer if you can use a front wheel on the rear since I'm not running pedals

  2. crassius

    crassius Well-Known Member

    depends on whether axle will fit frame
  3. Frankfort MB's

    Frankfort MB's Well-Known Member

    I was just curious if there was something that would stop it.
    I'll see if I can find anything that will fit it.

    FYI wear gloves when fooling with old rusty stuff:)
  4. FurryOnTheInside

    FurryOnTheInside Active Member

    Cool thread! :)
    Got your spoke length calculator?
    YouTube wheel building tutorial?
    A spoke key?

    I always went to a pro, seemed worth it for those special project bikes, but I think it is time I got around to building my own too!
  5. Frankfort MB's

    Frankfort MB's Well-Known Member

    Another thing I was going to ask.

    What special tools will I need? And what is the strongest way to build a wheel?

    (Probably shouldn't have used a flat head screw driver and a pair of vise grips but I used what I had:p)
  6. FurryOnTheInside

    FurryOnTheInside Active Member

    I think I'm rather late replying and you will have watched the excellent YouTube tutorials by now; but for all the future reads this will get from forum lurkers (hello future people lol) you will need:

    A good steady work bench and a wheel truing stand,
    Or a vice and an old fork with pieces if card to use to measure against,
    A good quality spoke key aka nipple wrench that fits the gauge you are using,
    Oil for your nipples (ooh la la!),
    A nipple driver or stubby flat head screwdriver
    Later on you will want a spoke tension gauge but if you're taking your time building the wheel in the evenings then you can start without it.
    I would use a digital caliper to measure the hub, then calculate the spoke lengths to buy using an online spoke length calculator.
    I think a bulldog clip/ binder clip would help me to not forget which spoke I'm on, so I can do it in front of the TV, lol.
    That's all I can think of..

    An online spoke calculator gives you the spoke lengths you need to order. The rim manufacturer's website should give you the recommended spoke tension/s.

    36 spoke wheels should be laced 3-cross and 48 spoke wheels should be 4-cross AFAIK. These terms and what to do with the tools are explained in the tutorials.

    The professional bike mechanic at the shop I used to get my wheels built at used only straight gauge DT Swiss spokes. I never actually ever broke one on any of my mountain bikes and touring bikes. Definitely seems to be worth buying the best you can afford.
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  7. Frankfort MB's

    Frankfort MB's Well-Known Member

    Alright, well I got a quote on the materials that come with everything I need to put together......

    They priced me a 26x2.125 double wall rim with 12g spokes all the nipples and a freewheel hub (not sure of brand, the guy said he'd find the best one for around 50$.... He probably knows more than I do so I let him do his thing)

    He said it would be around 70-100$
    I figured that'd be a good candidate for my needs. He also said it be end of the week before I got any of it so I'll let everyone know how everything turns out:)
  8. FurryOnTheInside

    FurryOnTheInside Active Member

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  9. Frankfort MB's

    Frankfort MB's Well-Known Member

    No I don't know sadly, I looked at that website and it seemed really helpful...
    You have no idea how much that helped!!!
    I'm a visual learner and have to see something to work on it.

    The way he did that wheel almost seemed like an artwork! I'll have some time to waste before I get my wheel so I'll practice a little.

    Do you think a flat head screwdriver will be sufficient for just one wheel build? I'm probably getting out of MB building since the market here has been flooded with POS bikes I can't make a profit off of anything.... I know it's not the proper tool for the job but that's how I got the wheel taken apart:):p
  10. FurryOnTheInside

    FurryOnTheInside Active Member

    I'm glad to hear it helped. I emailed myself that link some time ago because I was really impressed with the tutorial on wheel building but the rest of it is good info too. :)

    Practicing on an old wheel first sounds like a good idea. :)

    Oh yeah, certainly. I forgot the nipple driver screwdriver with the little bump from my tools list. (I will edit) I think they are inexpensive to buy on the 'net.. And tbh yes I do think you can get away with just an ordinary screwdriver if you are not trying to be really fast.

    It sounds like you could fix the POS bikes instead, although it is no fun at all working on POS bikes!
  11. FurryOnTheInside

    FurryOnTheInside Active Member

    I think it would be best to know what the recommended spoke tension is for the rim you are using. Especially when you are using thick 12 gauge spokes I would expect there could be a risk of putting too much tension on the rim and ripping the nipple right through.
    Sounds painful! :eek:
  12. Frankfort MB's

    Frankfort MB's Well-Known Member

    There is a community bike shop that's mainly for people in need who I'm friends with..... I might be able to get them too properly tension the spokes and true the wheel if I ask him nice enough:D
  13. FurryOnTheInside

    FurryOnTheInside Active Member

    Sounds like a good plan. Though it doesn't look that difficult and you/we might as well learn some time. I think it can just be a bit daunting at first.
    Community bike shop? I'm sure they will do it for a bag of, I mean a six pack of beers. ;)
  14. Frankfort MB's

    Frankfort MB's Well-Known Member

    Well..... I didn't follow the video and messed up lacing the wheel, not sure where I messed up at but I know I did because I can't tighten the spokes down any more. Good thing this isn't the real thing:)

    Both sides should be the same shouldn't they???

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  15. FurryOnTheInside

    FurryOnTheInside Active Member

    It is kinda hard to see in the photo. A plain background would help, lol. Nice big workshop you have there.
    It actually look like you have the valve hole in the wrong place, should be in a wider space, but that could be a trick of the angle.. A photo from the side/ other angles would help.
    You have other wheels to compare to anyway?
    And yes it is a good job it isn't the brand new wheel, bit idk, probably haven't damaged anything, just go back and try again. :)
  16. Frankfort MB's

    Frankfort MB's Well-Known Member

    I have wheels compare but I didn't think about looking at them:p thanks for the tip:D

    I can get the wheel almost trued but it always isn't perfect..... I know the rim is good because it would roll perfect before.

    It's a big garage and if it's not an old car it's bikes taking up most of it:)

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  17. FurryOnTheInside

    FurryOnTheInside Active Member

    Oops, looks like you screwed up the lacing but never mind, start again. :)
    I'm sure it is fine as long as you didn't put any real tension into it and deform the rim. :)

    I have dismantled bikes in three of the rooms in my apartment because I forgot to get all the tools out before starting and now I can't find the darn crank extractor, and I ran out of grease too, and the letting agent is coming for a "property inspection" (lifestyle inspection!) on Thursday afternoon but the tool/grease will hopefully be here Thursday morning haha.
  18. Frankfort MB's

    Frankfort MB's Well-Known Member

    I'm working on a 97 Dodge so that's another project, not including the 6 bikes
    (3 motorbikes, only 1 is running though lol)
    a 47 Chevy Fleetmaster.....

    Best to keep busy so you dont get in trouble;)

    Hopefully I'll be able to draw a couple people's attentions with my Predator bike:)
    Cuz why nah?;)
  19. FurryOnTheInside

    FurryOnTheInside Active Member

    1 out of 6 isn't too bad. I'm currently on 2 out of 9 (10 if you count the downhill frame).
    We've gone off topic! :p

    Cuz you'll need to wear asbestos underpants to ride it? :p
  20. Frankfort MB's

    Frankfort MB's Well-Known Member

    Nah not off topic, that's what the wheel is for:)

    Saw something on another thread that said anytime you drive a predator bike it's like your chestnuts are roasting:p