Carby what are the advantages /disadvantges of getting the "speed" carb?

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I am considering buying the nt "speed" carb for my 80 c.c. h.t. 2 stroke. what are the advantages of having this carb? easier / more tuning ablilties? increased engine power?
or would re-jetting my stock nt carb for more power be easier and cheaper to do?
I have already ordered jeys for my nt carb, but now i am thinking that maybe the "speed" carb will give me more tuneability and MAYBE a little more power.
so is the speed carb. worth buying?
or, would the better carb be the cns "racing" carb?
I don't really care for the handlebar mounted choke lever tho, but if the carb is better, i'll have to deal with it.
 
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From what little I know about them, both the nt speed and the cns have a larger venturi that is better suited to a 66/80cc engine. Someday I might get one and learn more about it.
The stock kit carbs are all sized for 49cc, regardless of engine size.
 
I am considering buying the nt "speed" carb for my 80 c.c. h.t. 2 stroke. what are the advantages of having this carb? easier / more tuning ablilties? increased engine power?
or would re-jetting my stock nt carb for more power be easier and cheaper to do?
I have already ordered jeys for my nt carb, but now i am thinking that maybe the "speed" carb will give me more tuneability and MAYBE a little more power.
so is the speed carb. worth buying?
or, would the better carb be the cns "racing" carb?
I don't really care for the handlebar mounted choke lever tho, but if the carb is better, i'll have to deal with it.

I will problem be ordering one today or tomorrow. Once it gets in I could let you know if you like.

Its in Canada so it should be here in only a couple of days.
 
Motor,
Can you post a link of where you purchased it from? This way if it works for you, I'll get one too. I know many vendors sell 'em but with so many players in China on the HT bandwagon, I want to make sure I don't get a lemon.
 
yes i can do that. I will have to see how the carb is when i get it.
I noticed on my newest build (a 66 c.c. h.t.) now that i reduced the gas-oil ratio from 16:1 - 24:1, it runs a whole lot better. i was running the 16:1 for break in, but someone suggested that 16:1 is too much oil...so i dropped it to about 24:1.
but now that i have some break in time on the engine, and i'm running a slightly less oily mix...the engine runs a whole lot better, but it seems that in the mid-top end rpms, the engine is undercarbureted. I know what it's like when you try to run too small of a carb on an engine...you know the power is there, but the carb is not allowing enough air/fuel for the engine to breathe and run like it should.
I am hoping that the cns carb. takes care of this.
I ordered a bunch of jets too, so I will have to play around with the cns until I get the engine running it's best. I will start out by seeing what main jet is in the cns before I even bolt it on the engine. I know that my stock carb has a #70 jet in it, and it's a little too rich.
If the cns has a bigger venturi, that means that it will be pulling more air, so if it has a #70 jet too, it may be just fine right out of the box.
I will not know until I mess with it and see if it's too lean or too rich.
I do plan on spending some time having to tune the cns carb. and doing jet changes after I get it.
 
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ok, i got the carb. today and got it on.
it's more than just swapping out one carb for the other (in my case anyway)
Since i originally shortened my throttle cable, i had to shorten it a little bit more for the new carb. It does come with a new throttle cable, but the ends are the same as the stock cable, so i just used my original since i shortened it to fit my bike already. I also had to replace the clutch cable guide bolt that has the hole in it for the clutch cable to run through because the float bowl would hit the stock cable guide. The carb comes with a shorter clutch cable guide bolt (or whatever you want to call it) so that was no big deal. The fuel inlet fitting is at the front of the carb angles forward rather than in the center and straight up. My fuel lines(yes, i have 2 lines coming out of my tank) run to a T fitting and then a single line comes out of the T with the shut off valve in it and then to the carb. I had to put on a slightly longer fuel line from the shut off valve, to the carb. The carb is A LOT bigger than the stock carb both externally and internally. the throat of this carb is HUGE compaired to the stock one, the slide is bigger in diameter, the float bowl is bigger, the float is actually like a "real" float set up, and it has a much better mounting clamp that holds it to the intake manifold. The thumb operated clutch lever with cable is a joke. the cable only has one end with a "barb" on it. the other end is just cable. the thumb lever requires a "barb" like the size of the one that is in the throttle handle assembly for the cable to stay in it. the choke itself requires a small "barb" like the one on the throttle cable that hooks to the slide. so there is no way to hook the cable to the thumb lever unless i make my own "barb". so for now i left that cable off and the choke is always closed because it has a spring holding it closed. with the cable hooked up, you pull it and the choke moves up. i wouldn't say that it's a choke tho really, it's more like an air bleed valve. (open it to choke, close it for no choke) I never needed the choke with my stock carb so i will leave the cable off because it started right up without using the choke as it did before with the stock carb.
there is an air/fuel adjustment screw and an idle screw. there are 2 vent pipes on top of the float bowl that must remain open. there is another short tube that comes out of the carb body in the rear and it goes into the carb throat on the intake side, this tube is not blocked off, and unless you plug it, it will have a massive vaccum leak because it just sucks air. I used a rubber vaccum port plug to cap it off.
I have not yet played with the jet needle clip setting yet or the main jet. I did take the float bowl off to see if the main jet was numbered, but there is no number on it, so i have no idea what size main jet is in it. the float set up is more like one that you would find in a motorcycle carb. MUCH better than the plastic hollow floating disk set up in the stock carbs.
i got it running and it fired right up without making any adjustments to the carb at all. the idle was set perfect. i took it for a ride and it seemed a bit rich from idle- 1/2 throttle. so i played with the air-fuel mixture screw and got it running good. but it seems to be a bit still rich at wot, so i will have to play with the main jet. i have a bunch of jets ranging from #60 through 74, but i have no idea where to start. I don't want to start with a jet that is too lean right away or one that is too rich either, without knowing what jet is in it now, it's tough to make a decision on what jet i shoud stick in there in place of it so i can establish a starting point by knowing the jet #.
so if it is too rich right now, and i put a #68 jet in it, what if the stock jet is a #74 (for example). dropping from 74 to 68 would be a drastic change and it would probably be way too lean. but without knowing the stock jet size, this is going to be tough. i guess i could take the stock jet out and put it side by side with the other jets and eyeball the hole that's in it, but that wouldn't be accurate at all because the hole sizes are so close in size.

by the way, i could not get an actual cns carb because it seems like every place that offers them is out of stock. so i took a chance and got one from boygofast. it's labled as a high performance carb, and it looks identical to the cns carb. The name on it is wabrow (not to be confused with WALBRO).
but man right out of the box it made a huge difference in the way my engine runs, it revs faster, and has more pulling power. the engine just seems happier with this bigger carb.
no joke, this carb is about the same size (externally anyway) as the one that is on my Kawaski 100 enduro, and it's design looks almost identical to the kawasaki carb.
it also looks identical to the pics of the cns carb that is various vendors sites. It's very high quality and not cheaply made(like the stock carbs.) it's beefy and it is well built.
I know, it's probably a generic version of the cns, but it was cheaper, it looks the same, does not look cheaply made, and i got it in 3 days. ordered it on sunday, got it on wed.
so far so good..it really woke my engine up.
 
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Thank you very much for the up-date and initial review!
Last week I was surfing the internet trying to find a similar carburetor currently used on a major name brand motorcycle. I was intent on finding an exploded view, and perhaps a tuning guide and alternative jet sizes for sale that I could share with this site.
All I found was a bunch of pictures, but nothing detail oriented.
Kawasaki, Yamaha, and I think it was Polaris all have similar carburetors, but not identical ones.

If you could, please give us a blow by blow account of how this carb works out for you, and all the "juicy" tuning details.
 
oh yeah the "race carb is awsome you can realy fine tune the engine here in seattle the weater changes drasticly from day to day so having a mixture screw makes a great differnce.
 
yep...the carb is a HUGE upgrade. you can truly fine tune it with the air fuel adjustment screw.
it is a bit rich tho right out of the box, so i will have to change the main jet (ordered a bunch of different dellorto jets from sbp).
I'm just not sure what jet is in the carb. rightout of the box because there is no number stamped on it.
I have not done anything with the carb, since i installed it last week.
but right out of the box the engine fired up, and ran great...just a little on the rich side at w.o.t.
i think i have jet sizes ranging from #60 all the way to #78....i got every jet that s.b.p. has on their site.
 
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