Drinking and Driving ?

Discussion in 'General Questions' started by robin bird, May 6, 2010.

  1. robin bird

    robin bird Member

    We live in a tourist area and here in Oliver B.C. each year swarms of young French Canadian adventure/farm workers arrive. Last week one of the young guys lent his happy times bike to a drunk girl. Apparently she insisted to drive it-she wore no helmet and crashed it. The gas shutoff goughed a big cut by her crotch and was wisked away by ambulance.she needed stitches.
    This really emphasises the dangers of drunk driving especially on a bike.
    A guy i sold one of my bikes also crashed it while drunk.
    Please do not drink and drive it gives our sport such a bad name and could kill you !
     

  2. Al.Fisherman

    Al.Fisherman Active Member

    I hate it when I drink and ride...It is hard to swig on a can and the darn Pepsi fizzes up and all over my hands...Bottles are the way to go. Bike or otherwise....Drinking and riding/driving don't mix. How stupid.....Although I believe in personal responsibility, the guy should be held partly liable. Drunks can't think, let alone ride/drive.
     
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  3. YES!!!!!!!! Drinking and driving PERIOD is just asinine! Anyone caught should loose more than their licence! My personal expierance has been that these people don't learn and continue to endanger everyone around them. F****n drunks can eat it! I look on craigs for bikes now and then and I see people sellin' their bike as a "beer bike"? WTFH is THAT? If your clearly faced, it does'nt matter what your in or on. You can get thrown in jail for beein' drunk on your own two feet. MORONS
     
  4. Tanaka40

    Tanaka40 Member

    I agree with the previous posts. WHy in the wold would you want to drink and drive?? THAT'S INSANE !!! BTW Ron, last time I tried to drink a Pepsi on a bike, I hit a big bump and took a Pepsi bath (LOL) Just another reason why I don't even drink nothin' but H2O on a bike !!!
     
  5. Al.Fisherman

    Al.Fisherman Active Member

    Seems like we learned the hard way.... now it has to be in a plastic capped bottle. But H2O is best.
     
  6. machiasmort

    machiasmort Active Member

    I share a different opinion. Once again, a different opinion. People have different tollerances and I feel that the BAC levels are set way too low. Just because one guy sniffs a bottle cap and can't walk, doesn't mean that's the same with me.

    While it's true that alcohol impairs your ability to react, if your able to hold your balance on a bike, how plastered could you be?

    I've had many nights above .2 and gotten home safe. People need to use common sense and take it easy.

    Women shouldn't be allowed to use anything gas opperated, they should stick with batteries, (only joking)!
     
  7. I do agree with you in that respect. But the key words are as mentioned in your post,common sense. I enjoy the libations as much as the next fish but when I'm into my second pitcher of my own, I know better than to get in a car or on anything with wheels. What I'm sayin' is that, and again this is based on personal experience, that the people that need to drink that much don't have that sense of responsibility, or common sense. I have four alchoholics in my family. All of them have been arrested multiple times for D.U.I. and still get behind the freakin' wheel. IDIOTS! I'm a fair person but who I'm talkin' about are the ones who buy these things because they can't stop at their limit. Whatever it may be. I knew a guy named Stoney when i was a kid. Guy could drink a half gallon of Even Williams and get in a car and drive like the sober guy in the car next to him. Bet he still has his liscence. Just, when you've lost the privillage to drive, that means anything with a motor on it guys. Three of those family members will never be able to legally drive again and the other is on their way to that. Just cuz' they couldn't stop drinkin' and drivin'.
     
  8. SimpleSimon

    SimpleSimon Active Member

    My opinion? Don't drink and drive. Period.

    If you just gotta go to the bar and lift a few (dozen), call a cab. Or ride a horse that knows the way home, unlike your car or MB.

    Much as I agree with your argument regarding idiosyncratic differences in the affect of a given measure of alcohol, Mort, the law MUST be defined. Since it must be defined, I am of the opinion that it is currently entirely too liberal in how much alcohol it allows to be in the average Joe's bloodstream before he is legally drunk. Frankly, I'd cut the allowable limit by a factor of four or five, if I could.

    For every idiot whose atypical reaction to alcohol allows him too function in an apparently completely sober fashion while at 4 times the legal limit, there is another idiot who is incompetently drunk from sniffing beer bottle caps. The law is a compromise, always, between the extremes, and when it comes to being at the controls of a 1,500 pound or greater missile, I'd prefer error on the side of restraint.
     
  9. Tanaka40

    Tanaka40 Member

    I could not say it better myself!!! :helmet:
     
  10. arkives1

    arkives1 Member

    Drinking and Driving

    Having lost a daughter at age 19 to a drunk driver (his fifth arrest) I say we have a choice, drive or drink, not both. ZERO tolerance is my preference. Some countries do have zero tolerance. That eliminates the question of how well a guy holds his liquor, it doesn't matter.....any alcohol at all would be illegal.
    Woody
     
  11. SimpleSimon

    SimpleSimon Active Member

    In all honesty, Woody, I agree. Having dragged 3 friends out of a river because of drinking and driving while in high school, having attended 3 more memorial services for friends killed by drunk driving (only one of the friends having been loaded herself, and she wasn't the driver) while in college, and having lost family and friends over the years since, I despise the mindset that lets some fool tell him/herself it is okay to drink and drive.


    I am often the "designated driver" because I will NOT tolerate someone else driving drunk if I can stop them. I've taken keys away from friends and acquaintances, and once spent the night in jail because the cops who responded to the ensuing fight didn't want to bother sorting it out. Got released with an apology the next day when the guy I took the keys from sobered up and admitted the cause of the fight.

    One beer, or one glass of wine, or one mixed drink is my absolute limit, and I rarely finish any of them. I like the stuff too much, I know I do, and I refuse to be a slave to stupidity.
     
  12. Al.Fisherman

    Al.Fisherman Active Member

    Anyone and I mean anyone driving under the influence, and kills someone should hang at the gallows the next day. Want him to be sober so he can feel the rope snap his neck. I have ZERO sympathy for drunk drivers...never lost someone to a drunk but my Dad is a reformed alcoholic of 27 years.

    Simon...I'm with you. We go out in the gulf to fish. I have friends that oun boats that I go with. Those that drink either will ask me to captain the boat when we are around other boats (I have a 25" Cabin Cruiser) or if I feel the need take over they let me. I love a beer or two, but always end up being the DD, through desire. I don't want a drinker to kill me and I don't want one of them killed either.
     
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  13. arkives1

    arkives1 Member

    Drinking and driving?

    Ahhh, obviously Simon is not simple. Well said. And I agree with Ron as well. I am usually the DD, and like Ron, I have taken keys away. One night a saw a man stumbling to his car obviously drunk, he was having trouble getting the key in the door. I offered to help and he handed me the keys, which I pocketed and told him he could pick them up at the bar up the street the next day. He protested of course and I left him sitting on the curb cussing. A bit later I heard his car start and drive away, apparently he had a second key and finally remembered where it was. The next day I dropped his keys off at the bar and that afternoon the mans wife came to my home and said "Thank you, you may have slowed him down enough to save his life" Maybe, maybe not. I never heard from him of course. In my opinion, drunks don't drive a car or anything else, they just sorta aim it down the road.
    At the time my daughter and her fiancee were killed (New Years Eve) Wisconsins maximum penalty was 5 years for each count of intoxicated fatalities. He got 10 years for the two he killed and an additional 17 years for ramming a police car attempting to escape (attempted homicide) The penalities have doubled since then but we still have way too many drunk drivers.
    Woody
     
  14. SimpleSimon

    SimpleSimon Active Member

    When I was in the fifth grade I was supposed to go on a day hike with the local Boy Scout troop. They gathered pre-dawn in the parking lot at the local post office to depart for the hike - I was running late because my Mom's car wouldn't start. We arrived at the Post Office just after the first ambulance got there.

    A drunk, on a straight and level county road veered off the pavement and plowed through the crowd of boys and adults gathered there. Five dead lads, and one dead adult - thirteen more people hospitalized. Oregon law at that time had no provisions categorizing vehicular manslaughter while intoxicated, or even increasing penalties for drunk driving accidents. The guy driving killed 6 people, maimed 4 more, and injured an additional 9, and was convicted of 7 counts of negligent manslaughter, sentenced to the maximum under then extant law - 20 years.

    He only served ten years, then was released to parole to reside at his parents home in that little rural community. He never got there - disappeared enroute. He was listed as a parole violator, and warrants were issued for him as being on escape. In 1982 the Molalla River flooded, and damaged a bridge pier on the Mulino to Canby road. In the course of repairing the bridge they cleared all the years of accumulated brush from beneath the bridge, and they found his skeletal remains. Every bone on that skeleton that matched a bone he broke on one of those boys or their fathers was broken.

    Once the skeletal remains were identified, the homicide investigation slowed essentially to a halt.

    There can be justice, sometimes. The cost is high.
     
  15. Al.Fisherman

    Al.Fisherman Active Member

    Simon....I love a story with a HAPPY ending.....
     
  16. machiasmort

    machiasmort Active Member

    I have no problem w/ zero tollerance. So long as it's equally enforced, which is far from what goes on here in NY.

    I attended drunkard school here in Buffalo, out of 50 of "the biggest idiots on the road", I was shocked to learn only one was a female... Hmmm, guess girls don't drink and drive until they can't cover it up? Nor do judges cops or politicians.

    Zero tollerance means zero...
     
  17. arkives1

    arkives1 Member

    Drinking and Driving

    HAHAHAHAHA Ron, you are one funny man! That truly was a happy ending though. Thanks for that one Simon.
    Woody
     
  18. Al.Fisherman

    Al.Fisherman Active Member

    Agree...That POS Kennedy should of been hung publicly in the center of Boston Commons. Then the Bulls Finch could really be renamed to CHEERS.:D
     
  19. will_start

    will_start Member

    ok,

    Here's a question for the legal minds.

    If you're caught over the limit on your bicycle.

    Do they cancel your car license ?

    Answers for USA and Australian Laws please.
     
  20. Al.Fisherman

    Al.Fisherman Active Member

    If you get caught riding ANYTHING (motorized) including a lawn mower on the PUBLIC roads...Yes..a DUI and the possibility of both loss of license (if you have one) and or jail time.

    Bicycle..no motor..public drunkenness... DUI's pertain to motorized vehicles.
     
    Last edited: May 9, 2010
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