Star Fire Gen II and Gen II-A availability

Discussion in 'Laws, Legislation & Emissions' started by JoelC707, Apr 3, 2009.

  1. JoelC707

    JoelC707 New Member

    Well I have some bad news for everyone. I just found out today that the EPA has decided to screw around with the NTJL factory and deny the 2009 EPA certificate for the Gen II and Gen II-A motors on some category technicality. They want an ungodly amount of money to "attempt" a renewal. Don says to not expect any Gen II or Gen II-A motor shipments from China this year. Unfortunately this means whatever stock us dealers have IS IT. Expect "Supply and Demand" to kick in hard as soon as dealers realize they can't reorder for a year. The GT4 and entire Skyhawk line still have their EPA certificate and can be imported though.

    Joel
     

  2. arceeguy

    arceeguy Active Member

    Problem is that if the EPA can do it for the NTJL engines, they can do it for the YD engines too. (or all bicycle engines seeking compliance certificates) It might be in Don's best interest to clear up the problems once and for all. This is very disappointing because the Gen II/IIa engines just became available here. At least (for now) there are other Grubee 2 strokes available.
     
  3. JoelC707

    JoelC707 New Member

    Yes I agree. I have a feeling the people at the EPA are just being a**holes (like anyone else that works for the government, it comes with the job lol). But you're right they could easily do the same to the other factories. The other factories might still try and send them through though. I got a call a few months ago from a powerking dealer in Florida that wanted to know how I got my motors through customs. His had been held up because they still has the chrome, non-catalytic mufflers in the kit. Now the customs authority owns that shipment and both he and the factory are out money.
     
  4. arceeguy

    arceeguy Active Member

    I just looked on the EPA website, and on the excel spreadsheet dated 3/2/2009 I see two engines from NTJL being listed as compliant.

    I also see bicycle engines from YD, PYX, Jiangdu Flying Horse (RAW engines?), and Rico group.

    So it looks like NTJL is on the 2009 list, can they really take away a certificate they already issued?
     
  5. JoelC707

    JoelC707 New Member

    I'm not sure, I don't think they can. But the GT4 and all of the Skyhawk brand is still EPA approved. Those might be the two NTJL motors listed. Got a link to this spreadsheet, it sounds interesting to look over.
     
  6. arceeguy

    arceeguy Active Member

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  7. arceeguy

    arceeguy Active Member

    Also - FWIW, the Gen II engines I got were StarFire branded.


    Found it!

    8NTGS.066F47 is the number on my Gen II engines, it is listed in that excel spreadsheet. Confusing...
     
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  8. biketec

    biketec Member

    HUMMMM well.... as far as I know the only engine affected is the 49cc the other two are fine with epa it was a misshaps on the paper work they were filed under hand held not off road and 12000RMB is only like 4k usd but its a chance to be taken. My question is who are you? I dont mean that in a nasty way I just see 7 post and vendor.
     
  9. azbill

    azbill Active Member

    look at his intro Jeremy
    joel from tucson (I think usa bike?)
    very cool guy to converse with (his dad, Bill too)
     
  10. biketec

    biketec Member

    Gotcha!
    thanx.
     
  11. BoltsMissing

    BoltsMissing Active Member

    Could be a whole lotta carpola, the old "demand and supply" greedy trick to artificially jack up prices. They do the same Silver, Gold and whatever else.
    Simply walk away from the MB and catch a bus or walk or peddle anyway if they wanna play this stupid fruitless trick, then they get $nothing$.
    :devilish:
     
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  12. arceeguy

    arceeguy Active Member

    I dunno man, it look like two separate wholesalers got the same memo, so I doubt it is some sort of scheme to jack up prices. There are lots of competitors to Grubee on that EPA list I posted, so there will be no shortage of two stroke kits. It's just a shame that the Gen II's (which I believe are superior) just started to become available here in the US, and now we have to wait until 2010 for more? Surely they can work this out with the EPA since it was a minor classification mistake.

    If one of them could post the email, it would really help clarify which engines are affected.
     
  13. BoltsMissing

    BoltsMissing Active Member

    AC,yeah well, I did say, "could be".
     
  14. JoelC707

    JoelC707 New Member

    Yeah as far as I know all of Don's WD's got the email about two days ago. It didn't give a specific EPA number, he literally just said "Gen II and Gen II-A". He did mention a specific category that the EPA said it was supposed to go in (instead of the category they put it in), but I don't have the email in front of me. He did say they wanted $28,000 more to "attempt" a submission again. The way he put it was the EPA was banging them on purpose.

    It's not that we can't sell the inventory we currently have, we just get replenish our stock when it gets low.

    As for who I am, I'm the co-owner of USABikeMotors along with my dad Bill (wjcleveland is his user name on here I think). My dad has been on here for a few months but I just decided to join myself.
     
  15. biketec

    biketec Member

    Hey,
    Well welcome to the family! I look forward to workin with you and helping in any way. I hope to see you around if you need ANYTHING PLEASE feel free to get a hold of me and that goes for everyone!!!! you know my number its free to call and chat I love to talk and here stories :D


    P.S. 28K RMB = 4096.08 USD not too bad but at the same time its a chance lets cross our fingers.
     
  16. BoltsMissing

    BoltsMissing Active Member

    That figures, 2 days ago ?
     
  17. biketec

    biketec Member

    LOL are you suggesting Don has a sick seance of humor? He did mention across the other side of the whale pasture:jester:
     
  18. JoelC707

    JoelC707 New Member

    LOL yes he did. And yes the guy does have a sick sense of humor. :wacko2: :punk:
     
  19. arceeguy

    arceeguy Active Member

    Haha! - BM, you might have hit this one on the head! That would be a twisted joke. Can anyone confirm?
     
  20. BoltsMissing

    BoltsMissing Active Member

    Dunno, he's to short and can't ssee him in G20 "family" fotos
     
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