The End of MBs in the US

[gmoney]

The sky is falling. While its true about California,I truly believe the rest of the country will be allowed to use two cycle engines.I wont believe it to I see it,meaning being forced to buy a four gallon minimum. It will have to go through the House & the Senate. Demonizing the Obama administration is just that. The president makes rational decisions the majority of the time. Except for maybe who should be allowed to marry. Anyway don't go disassembling your bikes fellas the sky ain't falling. P.s. even if we are required to buy four gallons ot wont stop us,nothing will.

 

[lip]

There will never be a minimum purchase on fuel. This whole thing is silly.

I've been a fuel specialist for the DOD for last 14 years and watched alot of fuel blends come and go. There is an option for those who can only get fuel with ethanol in it. Get a container with a petcock valve on the bottom, fill it with your ethanol blend fuel and dump a couple quarts of water in it. The enthanol will attach to the water and sink to the bottom. Drain off the water. What's left is pure gas.

Yes it's a little bit of work, but in my opinion it's worth it to keep ethanol out of your engine.

Don't even get me fired up about E85 and BIO diesel......... what a bunch of garbage fuel!

 

[Richard H.]

There is an option for those who can only get fuel with ethanol in it. Get a container with a petcock valve on the bottom, fill it with your ethanol blend fuel and dump a couple quarts of water in it. The enthanol will attach to the water and sink to the bottom. Drain off the water. What's left is pure gas.

Really, that will work? Then what do you do with what you drained off?

 

[lip]

Really, that will work? Then what do you do with what you drained off?

Yes sir, it works. You want to shake up the water/ fuel mix and let it settle. The water/ethanol will fall out to the bottom. As far as disposal goes......I'm sure there's a right(EPA) answer for this, but it's a little water with a little ethanol in it.... Rumor has it, it makes a good weed killer.

 

[Quadranut]

After all, they get 100+ MPG, that should be "green" enough. I think the politicians here have to much time on their hands.

agreed on both points

 

[Skyliner70cc]

Not a fan of E85 but a huge believer and user of biodeisel. The diesel engine was originally demonstrated/designed to run to run on peanut oil. Properly manufactured biodiesel is a great product to run in pre 2007 diesel engines. It provides superior lubricity to the fuel pump, is great solvent to clean our deposits in the fuel system, has a higher cetane rating than diesel, and is cheap to make yourself. Yes, some drawbacks exist such as winter gelling and inability to use it with diesels that have a diesel particulate filters with regeneration occuring during exhaust stroke.

 

[lip]

Not a fan of E85 but a huge believer and user of biodeisel. The diesel engine was originally demonstrated/designed to run to run on peanut oil. Properly manufactured biodiesel is a great product to run in pre 2007 diesel engines. It provides superior lubricity to the fuel pump, is great solvent to clean our deposits in the fuel system, has a higher cetane rating than diesel, and is cheap to make yourself. Yes, some drawbacks exist such as winter gelling and inability to use it with diesels that have a diesel particulate filters with regeneration occuring during exhaust stroke.

The problem with boidiesel is the shelf life. It deteriorates really fast. Diesel is a dirty fuel compared to any other fuels and if you all of the sudden decide to run it after running reg. diesel through your vehicle you will have clogging issues. It will break down into a cleanser and destroy your fuel system.

I worked at the first test base for B20 in the early 2000's and it destroyed alot of our vehicles fuel systems and it has not got any better over time, a matter of fact we stopped using it in first responders and fuel trucks. I would never use it after seeing the mess it caused.

This is just my experience.

Ryan

 

[lip]

Not a fan of E85 but a huge believer and user of biodeisel. The diesel engine was originally demonstrated/designed to run to run on peanut oil. Properly manufactured biodiesel is a great product to run in pre 2007 diesel engines. It provides superior lubricity to the fuel pump, is great solvent to clean our deposits in the fuel system, has a higher cetane rating than diesel, and is cheap to make yourself. Yes, some drawbacks exist such as winter gelling and inability to use it with diesels that have a diesel particulate filters with regeneration occuring during exhaust stroke.

I just re-read your post. Doesn't really help us in 2012. I'm not trying to be an ### but it's not what it's cracked up to be.

Ryan

To keep this on track, two strokes arn't going away.

 

[Skyliner70cc]

Yes, biodiesel will clean the **** out of any fuel system and requires careful monitoring and more frequent fuel filter changes. Its a natural solvent and does a great job keeping things clean. Don't blame the fuel for it superior properties. When transitioned carefully, b20 and higher fuels are great. As for shelf life, not an issue if you drive thru a tank of gas every 2 weeks or so which is what most folks average. Diesel particulate filters and active regeneration which is when engine injects fuel during exhaust stroke cycle to heat the DPF is why biodisel shouldn't be use on newer diesels. The fuel can slip past piston ring (fuel dilution is an issue regardless of what fuel is used) and cause polymerization of the engine oil (bad).

With respect to 2 strokes, voting has consequences. All of you folks who voted for BHO and complain about senseless EPA regulations and the cost of gasoline doubling during his tenure to date got what you deserve.

 

[lip]

Yes, biodiesel will clean the **** out of any fuel system and requires careful monitoring and more frequent fuel filter changes. Its a natural solvent and does a great job keeping things clean. Don't blame the fuel for it superior properties. When transitioned carefully, b20 and higher fuels are great. As for shelf life, not an issue if you drive thru a tank of gas every 2 weeks or so which is what most folks average. Diesel particulate filters and active regeneration which is when engine injects fuel during exhaust stroke cycle to heat the DPF is why biodisel shouldn't be use on newer diesels. The fuel can slip past piston ring (fuel dilution is an issue regardless of what fuel is used) and cause polymerization of the engine oil (bad).

With respect to 2 strokes, voting has consequences. All of you folks who voted for BHO and complain about senseless EPA regulations and the cost of gasoline doubling during his tenure to date got what you deserve.

Couldn't agree more!

But shelf life is an issue. Not everyone empties their tank every two weeks. Yes, it makes great paint thinner after two weeks, but for overall consumer use it's garbage IMO.

I'll agree to disagree with you on this.

Ryan