Tubes Fire Hose tyre liner.

Discussion in 'Bicycle Repair' started by fetor56, Jun 12, 2009.

  1. fetor56

    fetor56 Guest

    I thought i'de trial this as a heavy duty 2" tyre liner,either in it's standard form or cut in halves to make 2 liners.
    Really it's meant as a VERY high pressure water hose so it has to be tough as nails.Speaking of nails i tried piercing a nail through it & i must say most unsuccessfually;good. :D
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  2. NiteSpy

    NiteSpy New Member

    where could I pick up some of that hose?
     
  3. fetor56

    fetor56 Guest

    I went to a specialist place that only sells hose & hose related products,but i'm sure u must have your own source locally.
    http://www.austrahose.com.au/
     
  4. loquin

    loquin Active Member

    Another thing that might work well is swimming pool drain hose - it's lighter than firehose, and certainly not as strong, but, it's pretty tough, and it's fairly flexible, (and thin, which may be important from a tube-chaffing viewpoint...)
     
  5. fetor56

    fetor56 Guest

    Had a rear flat today,nothing to do with the fire-hose tyre liner cos it was a small split on the inside of the tube(must have been a faulty tube)
    Removing the fire-hose it remained straight,while a commercially bought tyre liner snakes all over the place after use(heat build up & tyre squirming on corners)......interesting difference. :-/
    We'll see how this new thorn resistant tube goes.
     
  6. chopperjoe

    chopperjoe New Member

    hose

    i know its an old post, but i got some hose at our fire dept. they had a bunch lying around that was damaged. They gave us around 200 feet to use around my sons RC car track in our backyard. They were happy to help us out
     
  7. Nuttsy

    Nuttsy Member

    YOU MEAN LIKE THIS? I'VE BEEN RUNNING THESE FOR ABOUT 6 MONTHS. NO FLATS FOR ME...YET. ALSO PASSES THE NAIL PUNCTURE TEST MENTIONED ABOVE.
    NUTZ
     

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  8. Zev0

    Zev0 Member

    This drain hose is interesting. Do you put it in folded or cut into a single piece?
     
  9. ibdennyak

    ibdennyak Guest

    huh, why didn't I think of that. All the PVC dewatering hose I've rolled up in my life, and it never occurred to me. I'm ashamed. :icon_cry: That is a great idea.
     
  10. Nuttsy

    Nuttsy Member

    The drain hose goes right in the tire the way it comes from the box, which is double thickness. I'm in the pool business so I buy it by the box, but you can get it cut to length where pool supplies are sold. It comes in 1.5" or 2" dia.

    To install: Measure the outside circumference of your tire and get that much hose. It will be slightly too much when placed inside the tire so you'll have to trim off about an inch or two depending on the circumference. Then lay it out flat on the floor and brush on some contact cement on one side and let dry to a tack. Then brush the cement inside the tire and let dry. All this does is makes it easy to line up the liner and keep it in place until you mount the tube and rim. Trim any overlap of the liner and re-assemble the wheel.
    I also use a "thorn proof" tube just to be sure. You know, belt and suspenders.
    It's smooth rolling and when I tried to pierce it with a nail it would just stretch and a whole lot of force was needed to start a puncture. I think between two layers of the hose and the tire itself along with the HD tube, I'm covered.
    Nuttsy
     
  11. loquin

    loquin Active Member

    Thanks for the feedback, Nuttsy. I had planned on giving it a try the next time I had a flat, but, so far, I haven't had one... (knock on wood!) I've got somewhere around 25 feet left from a 50 foot roll of the drain hose in the garage. (Home Depot, I believe...) 50 feet would do seven 26 inch tires, so, that works out to about $4 a tire (at list prices) (but, it's a lot cheaper at Amazon...)
     
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  12. happycheapskate

    happycheapskate Active Member

    Has anybody used the Walmart Slime tire liners? If tire liners move around, why not try two things to prevent that: 1. slightly inflate the tube before the installation, as the directions call for, and which is standard mounting procedure, and 2. glue the tire liner to the tire with rubber cement, aerospace/hobby plane glue, or some other type of bond, right around the center of the tread and the center of the liners.
     
  13. TREEWK

    TREEWK Member

    I Never Trust A Man That Wears A Belt And Suspenders!! He Don`t Even Know What His Pants Are Going To Do!! Lol Ps Nuttsy Is Still A Friend, Even If He Don`t Play Well With Others. Ron
     
  14. happycheapskate

    happycheapskate Active Member

    Suspenders are a fashion statement.
     
  15. loquin

    loquin Active Member

    Absolutely!
     

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  16. TREEWK

    TREEWK Member

    It Was A Pun, Humour, I Wear A Belt And Suspenders. But Not For Style, For Function, They Hold My Pants Up. Ron
     
  17. happycheapskate

    happycheapskate Active Member

    re: Red Green show. hahhaha. Those guys are so funny.

    I caught a lucky break: I was just about to buy the Slime tire liners from you guessed it, walmart. (only real general store I can get to on my MB)

    I found a section of red 3"diameter thick rubber hose that was cut off from a 20 foot length going to a truck dock bilge pump.
    I took it home and washed it all up, and softened it up in a bucket of warm water. I cut it into 2 strips, which exactly! matched my 1.5 Geaux tires, and were the exact! length for tire strips (counting the inch or so needed for overlap. I trimmed them up and rounded the corners, put them in, and test rode them yesterday.
    The tires were noticeably heavier, but rode nicely, and only at very low speeds do i feel the "lump" where the hose strips overlap, only on the back wheel really. the back tire seems to "wobble" a little, but it is not noticeable at 25-30mph. Perhaps it will smooth out some later. It works though, for riding. I tried poking the hoses with a knife and some small objects before making the strips. It seemed very tough.
    I do not know a part number but the hose said "Goodyear" on it and was smooth red inside with sticky ribbed red outside. It was about 3 or 3.5" diameter, probably 3.

    PS, I tried using craft glue (hot glue gun) but it did adhere well. A small dab seemed to help start the installation easier. I did not try the rubber cement because the liners were sticky enough on the bottom, and seemed to stay put well. They lined the tire completely, except for they did not come up into the area where the bead is. (just right)
     
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  18. Luka

    Luka Member

    Well, I can finally post a bit from experience here.

    After reading this thread the first time, I went out and bought two of the flat "backwash" or "discharge" hoses.

    One from Lowes. One from Harbor Freight.

    The one from Lowes cost half of what the one from Harbor freight did, and was twice as long. (L = 50', HF = 25')

    But... The one from HF is TOUGH !!!!!! The one from Lowes is pretty wimpy.

    I bought these to use for their intended purpose. Discharge hose.

    And did use them for that.

    With the very least bit of restriction on the end of the Lowes hose.... It exploded. It's only about 3 times as thick as your average party balloon.

    The HF seems to be as strong, as solid plumbing. It certainly held up to a huge amount of pressure. Even when completely capped off, it held.

    This is a pump that can empty a 55 gallon barrel of water in less than a minute. Put a garden hose on the end of the discharge hose, and the water sprays 50 feet and more. That's a LOT of pressure.

    So my vote goes to the harbor freight hose. (The package says max pressure 58PSI, but it had to have stood up to three times that, at least.)

    The item number for the hose is 95391. It's called PVC Discharge Hose.

    I would suggest installing it by first stuffing it in the tire, flat, and marking it with about a 5 inch overlap.

    Make sure it's tight into the tire. You'll be less likely to leave any gaps, later.

    Once cut to that length, cut 5 inches, (or whatever your overlap was), from only one side of the hose. (Refer to picture attached.)

    Cut the 5 inch piece out of -opposite sides-, on both ends of the hose.

    Then, install in the tire with whatever glue you decide, making sure that the two ends overlap each other.

    I hope the instructions and picture are clear enough.

    If you do this right, you will have no gaps, and no overlap bulges.
     

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  19. happycheapskate

    happycheapskate Active Member

    That kind might work better. My red fire hose (fiberglass and plastic heeavy duty hose) worked really tough, but was hard to keep lined up straight. It annoyed me so I just went to Super Tubes and threw the liners away.
     
  20. Dave C

    Dave C Member

    I bought a WalMart Mongoose Paver off of Craigslist for $60. When I saw it it was practally brand new. Rode it, rims needed trued and tires needed some air but there was enough to test it out.

    I got it home and inflated the back tire to the proper pressure then started on the front. I felt the bike shift and a *pop* kinda sound. Looked back to see the tire completely off the rim and the tube buldging. Then I noticed the front starting to do the same! I was letting pressure off the front when BANG!! the back tire blew, bending the rim badly. I got ahold of Mongoose and told them what had happened. She sounded like she'd heard it before and sent me two new tires and tubes and a new back rim!!

    When they arrived I noticed right off that they had improved the design with a steel bead wire instead of fabric but when I went to put air in them they also started to come off the rim! Dismayed, I went to checking what was wrong. And what it was is they tried to cut corners and expenses by undersizing the rims, you can tell by the way the brake pads are adjusted to the limit of the adjusting slot.

    To solve the problem I went looking for a better tire and on eBay I found Duro Tires. They called them "bullet-proof" due to the polyethelene band running right under the tread. This band not only prevents punctures but prevents the tire from expanding radially. The sidewalls have what they call a "flak-jacket". It's a very tough fabric of some sort that not only protects the sidewall but is reflectorized. I also added a gold and black liner, can't remember the product name and Slimed the tube.

    I live on a road that has goathead weed that grows along the road and I've had no punctures at all :)
     
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