How much pedaling do you do?

Discussion in 'General Questions' started by Nanonevol, Oct 5, 2015.

  1. Nanonevol

    Nanonevol Member

    So I'm a newbie and have a kit in a box and deciding on the bike. The cruise style looks the coolest and that matters to me. I see a lot of cruiser builds without the whole derailleur gearing setup and wonder what it's like to pedal these single speed bikes.
    I guess my question is really how much pedaling do people find themselves doing with all this chunky hardware attached? Just on hills? When out of gas? Never?
     

  2. 2old2learn

    2old2learn Member

    I'm sure every rider has a different story. I pedal quite a lot as I am a cyclist. I pedal more often when I am riding fast. Perhaps I'm cooler when I pedal hard while going fast, versus pedalling hard at slower speeds. I do it for the exercise.
     
  3. bikejock

    bikejock Member

    On my Grubee 4G bike I only used pedals for emergencies like if my bike broke down while using the motor. I usually make sure I'm topped off on fuel so I'm usually not worried about running out. These engines are usually pretty efficient. Pedaling was a bit of a drag (literally) when I had to and the transmission would make this annoying clicking sound like a torque wrench in reverse.

    After my second breakdown on my Grubee bike I've decided I'm done with cheap kits and converted my cruiser back to a normal bike. For my next build I plan on getting a rear mount friction drive kit on my mountain bike so I can lift up the rear mount to make pedaling easier so I can do more of both pedaling and motoring. Motor I'm using doesn't seem add much weight and my mountain bike is over all pretty light weight so pedaling on my next build should be a breeze compared to my last build.
     
  4. crassius

    crassius Well-Known Member

    I'm old & can't pedal - out of gas, I walk it home. Most cruisers with derailers come with real brakes too.
     
  5. 2old2learn

    2old2learn Member

    John Muir was still hiking in Yosemite into his 80's. We are limited by our imaginations. I have learned that the body is the slave and the mind is the master, many people get that backwards. Two summers ago I was doing a 15 story vertical granite wall, 75 miles south of the arctic circle. My Choice is to leave this world via an adventure, not via a nursing home bed!
     
  6. Timbone

    Timbone Active Member

    Pedalling is important but, primarily, I use my motorbike as a powered motor vehicle. The pedal function comes to be important especailly in the case of breakdowns on the motor side. Of course, a huge advantage of a motorbike is the ability to pedal through and around jammed traffic and come out clean on the other side dump the clutch and zoom on! Motorcycles can't do that.

    I pedal on a long pedestrian bridge, bike paths, and through parking lots to the front door.

    My pedal gear is super low, so I can't go fast. But I can do a long climb. A lower gear helps with pedal assisted starts, too - something I always do.
     
  7. Nanonevol

    Nanonevol Member

    Never having ridden (ridden?) one of these, this is all useful advice. Of course the bike looks a lot cleaner without a gear cluster and is simpler so I'm wondering if I really need it. If I go with one speed I'm sure I'll gear it low. Maybe look for an internal gear hub.
     
  8. troyg

    troyg Member

    My take, if (without engine power) you wouldn't want to pedal it more than five miles, you have a moped, not a motor assisted bicycle.I consider most of the frame mount builds mopeds, the owners use the pedals like a motorcycles kickstart, and then not again until the first hard turn.Friction drives, GEBE's, have so little friction when the motor is not running, that the bike still feels like the bike without anything added.Friction drives in particular, you can raise the spindle, and your bike is a bike again in seconds, NO DRAG.
    To the question, I use all 21 gears (I shift more than a semi driver) with a GEBE, so there are no jackrabbits, the only time I don't pedal is to rest a little, reposition my feet.That said I rarely have to pedal with much force once I start rolling.
     
  9. Purple Haze

    Purple Haze Active Member

    Pick the correct gear, and it's no big deal. You'll probably only pedal from a dead stop for starting. One thing to consider, these things DO quit running, usually due to electrical problems. Upgrading your plug and plug wire goes a long way toward solving this. Waterproof your magneto. If your chain drive is in good working order, these changes will make your bike quite reliable.
     
  10. 2old2learn

    2old2learn Member

    Your GEBE setup appears to work similar to my Staton pedal axle drive, in that when I pedal my bike, the drive chain from my motor that powers my pedal axle, never moves. So my power system has almost zero parasitic drag on my self powered mode. In addition, I don't have to do anything to put it in that mode as it is automatic and inherent in the design. So I can pedal or power, or pedal and power, or just pedal at any point without doing anything to engage it or disengage it. So when pedalling it power off, Im just pedalling a heavier bike.
     
  11. Nanonevol

    Nanonevol Member

    I've got bikes for when I want to ride a bike and pedal. I think what I'm leaning toward is a lightweight motorcycle - and aesthetics matter.
     
  12. Purple Haze

    Purple Haze Active Member

    Go with an in-frame kit, they look sooo much better. (like a motorcycle) Those friction drive kits might be more reliable (I doubt it) but they just look goofy and have a higher center of gravity, adversely affecting handling.
     
  13. 2old2learn

    2old2learn Member

    If it's available, a frame mount with a right side output that powers a freewheel on your pedal axle that allows you to use whatever pedal cogs you have available on your bike so you can use all the gears you have with power and still be able to pedal the bike power off with no system drag.
     
  14. butre

    butre Well-Known Member

    the only additional failure point with a center mount engine is the chain or belt drive. friction drives greatly increase tire wear and have an incredibly high center of gravity
     
  15. troyg

    troyg Member

    I've read many stories here, of other things going wrong with CG's.Another + to friction over even my GEBE, is flat fixing, chain and belt drives can be a pain in that regard.Friction drives DO NOT cause premature wear to the tire, unless the spindle pressure is too light, my spindle on the other hand is wearing out.Incredibly high CG?? Higher than your a.s.s, shoulders, and head!?FD's are off balance, when parked, and that's about it.
    Handling is only effected with 50cc+ engines.As to the looks, beauty is in the eye, I'm the exact opposite from most, I think frame mounts look not only "greasy kid stuff" goofy, but down right g.a.y..That's a to each his own thing, a friction or rack mount looks no different than a packed touring bike to me, not a kids wannabe motorcycle.That's me.
     
  16. butre

    butre Well-Known Member

    imagine if your butt gained 45 pounds and stuck out 18 inches behind you. that's what an fd does to center of gravity.

    if rack mount was superior then harley Davidson would do it
     
  17. butre

    butre Well-Known Member

    personally I think a friction drive looks ghetto no matter how much thought or work went into it. it always looks like an add on, like it's not meant to be there. an in frame kit can look factory if done well.
     
  18. Nanonevol

    Nanonevol Member

    This is getting kinda funny. I'm not trying to look cool myself as that's kind of ridiculous but when I create something I want it to hold to my own aesthetic. If you're trying to look cool on your "moped" you're pathetic. I'm building an in-frame bike because I want it to be strong and fast and handle well.
     
  19. troyg

    troyg Member

    No offense, you're high.My whole FD bicycle, gassed up weighs 50lbs.You must've put a lawnmower engine on yours.
    A GEBE weighs in at 12-14lbs.
    A FD weigs in at 15-20lbs.
    No more than a rack of groceries on the back.
    I can lift either bicycle with one hand, and feel nothing once under way.
    I've had the harley debate before, the reason harley mounted the engine in the center, because the engine couldn't possibly fit anywhere else.We're talking about bicycles not things as big as small cars, big difference.
    A GEBE is near 1to1 territory 95 to 98 percent of the engines power is transferred.43cc's gets me 32mph and 180mpg.
    As to looks, it's all opinion, no need trying to look cool, frame mout or rack mount, if you ride a MAB, you are cool.
     
    Last edited: Oct 7, 2015
  20. troyg

    troyg Member

    Kind of on-off topic, I also ghost pedal all the time just in case of bored lawmen.A friction/rack mount doesn't attract as much attention, there is a "stealth" FD on here, completely hidden by panniers.Most FD/rack mounts have quality utility engines, self cooling, look at the rack section as far as engine problems, then look at the 2stroke/CG section, engine problems galore.I read here for years, and came to my FD is better conclusion.


    I put my FD on my folder, bought a crappy bag from wallyworld, packed it with my clothes and an empty 1gal can, took it on a 600 mile greyhound bus trip, when I arrived I unpacked/unfolded/gassed-up my FD equipped bicycle and motored home.
     
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