MAB's obsolete soon?????

Discussion in 'General Questions' started by Warner, Jun 16, 2008.

  1. Warner

    Warner Member

  2. SirJakesus

    SirJakesus Guest

    Expect this company and its technology to get bought out by some huge multinational and buried. They will not allow a water powered car to exist, all control of the first worlds population will be lost without the power for governments and corporations to control the fuel supply. Not to mention the fact that the large car companies have already invested billions into overly complex hybrid and hydrogen cars.
  3. Warner

    Warner Member

    I believe that kind of stuff has happened in the past. I think there are too many people interested in and working on this very technology for it to NOT be developed and produced anymore. It's coming. The question is how many other markets will be affected by it? I know of (personally) another group here in the states working on similar technology but not for vehicles. They are working on obtainin a patent for the technology now in fact. I honestly believe it's coming......I don't think that it can be bought out or stifled anymore. Maybe I'm an optimist.....but that's what I think.


    PS - Maybe Al Gore can take credit for creating this, too!
  4. kerf

    kerf Guest

    You conspiracy theorist crack me up. Why would anyone believe anything Reuters reported??? More unreliable than CNN or MSNBC!
  5. Warner

    Warner Member

    I'm not sure I understand your response. Are you saying that you don't believe this technolgy exists?

  6. sjackson

    sjackson Member

    Reuters and AP are about as objective as it gets.
  7. kerf

    kerf Guest

    This is competing with me as I've developed pills that turn water into gas. One pill turns 5 gallons of water into 6 gallons of gas and I sell them for $100 a bottle + $39.95 S&H. Email your credit card info to:

  8. turbo/chaos

    turbo/chaos Guest

    yep you dont mess with the big 4 there is a guy here in texas that did build a engine taht was doing 100hp 450torgue put in a truck small one that was geting 85mpg the block and motor oiston and everything built by hand

    well he presented it to the big for and yes they boght it out for 5mil

    well they never used it they whent and destroyed it so no one could see it or find out how to use it and it was on normal pump gas

    plus there was a man here in town that had a water type car him and the car are missing and no one knows where he whent just poof he was gone
  9. Mugrim

    Mugrim New Member

    Don't the laws of thermodynamics dictate that any energy required to break water down to hydrogen is going to be more than the energy output from burning hydrogen?

    And why do we even need the technology when the reason we have issues with oil tend to be caused by consumerism dictating large vehicles when we could be getting over twice the gas milage on non-hybrid vehicles like europe does.
  10. loquin

    loquin Active Member

    Pretty much. The energy required to split water into hydrogen and oxygen can NEVER exceed the energy obtained from burning that same hydrogen and oxygen. Since electrical wires have resistance, and motors aren't 100 percent efficient, you can never get out as much energy as you put in. Otherwise, you would have a perpetual motion machine.
  11. Mugrim

    Mugrim New Member

    These things always seem like such awful snake oil. Even if there was an evil US conspiracy to keep something like this away, they'd just produce it somewhere that doesn't care and ship it here like we do with all sorts of other patented ideas.

    Europe has miraculously managed to have safe small vehicles that get from 40 - 55+ mpg without hybrid tech. Our only real issue seems to be that we don't embrace smaller vehicles like this or embrace alternate vehicles like motorized bikes and scooters.
  12. The problem is that when someone finally figures it out they get greedy and try to profit from it which is cool but then sell it to the big wigs and now they have the patent to it and it's dead.
    I say patent it yourself then share it with others. That way the big companies can't patent your design and everyone will build these things in their garage.
  13. SirJakesus

    SirJakesus Guest

    Scientific "laws" and theories have been proven wrong countless times over the generations, I do not accept that the laws of thermodynamics are absolute and infallible. The only laws that prove themselves true time and time again are the laws of economics.
    I always love it how people say "conspiracy theorist" with such contempt and actually believe that anybody who believes in the fact that conspiracies happen are fruitcakes or nutjobs. Fact is conspiracies happen all the time. There are countless revolting and downright disgusting crimes our governments and their corporate handlers commit constantly as a matter of routine business.
    Go to a library and find some old copies of popular mechanics/science and check out some patent listings. Lots of amazing stuff has been made, bought and shelved until it's time has come to be most profitable for the large companies and people who own practically everything in the world. A good example is platinum spark plugs. They were invented and viable about 30 years before the patent holder decided to start producing them... and why? Before the 100k mile platinum plugs you had to change your plugs every 10k miles or so.
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  14. kerf

    kerf Guest

    Hey Large, with gas at $4.20 a gallon, if GM or Ford had a 80 mpg car, do you think they would be selling them. If memory serves, car sales are in the tank. And one other thing, PROFIT is not a dirty word, it's the reason more people live better here than anywhere in the history of the world.
  15. SirJakesus

    SirJakesus Guest

    And what about the "third" world that routinely sees our bombs and puppet dictators? Sure our standard of living is great as long as you admit to yourself that the system is set up to make you into a debt slave. What a fantastic way to live.
  16. Mugrim

    Mugrim New Member

    The ford Ka gets 45 mpg and isn't available in the US.
  17. kerf

    kerf Guest

    SirJakesus, if you're in debt, I'm sorry but it does take awhile to to establish yourself. Me, I'm debt free but I still get up every day and bust my old a$$, that is what makes America work. When you get a few more years down the road you will understand much more than you do now. I remember being young and confused, I wouldn't go back unless I could know what I know now.

    Mugrim, why don't you write Ford and ask why, the reasons might surprise you.
  18. Mugrim

    Mugrim New Member

    Mugrim, why don't you write Ford and ask why, the reasons might surprise you.

    There hasn't been a market for it. American's like big landboats and every major brand knows it's bad for their name if they make a car that is too small.

    Market research has dictated against it and with gas being so cheap for so long there wasn't a lot of reason to risk losing customers. Many vehicles actually get worse gas milage than older versions of the same model and this is partly linked to it.

    You can get away with 1 - 1.5 liter engines no problem but people really don't want to buy a small car, until recently that is.

    Of course I've heard rumors about the ka and several other affordable commuter cars coming to the states so who knows.

    by the way, in economics and any social science, a correlation coefficient above .6 usually means something significant and about .7 is considered reliable. In hard sciences you're looking at .95+ before something is considered reliable if i remember correctly, and that includes physics. Thermodynamics is far more predictable than economics ever will be, otherwise making a profit in the US off trading over a short period would be a nearly guaranteed and easy route to financial success. It is not and many lose their money. For it to be as predictable as physics you'd have to be able to create a formula that will tell me with 95+% reliability what future conditions will be to be on par with physics.
  19. kerf

    kerf Guest

    I would say you're probably correct about the market but there are many economy models doing very well here. I heard the Smart Car was about to hit the American market and the Mini has been available for some time. There could be safety standard issues with the Ford, the governmental red tape is unbelievable.

    Physics may not be as reliable as you think, for some time I've pondered if time actually exist of if is just a component we use to understand the universe. If time doesn't exist, relativity and most of science is wrong. Just thinking out loud.
  20. Mugrim

    Mugrim New Member

    Most european cars are crash tested at higher standards than ours.

    Here's a list of fuel efficiencies for American cars, then compare to European cars that routinely get 45 - 55. They also get crash tested at higher standards as well.

    Malibu - BEST option 21/29 (4cyl)
    Cobalt - BEST option 22/31
    Aveo - BEST option 22/32
    Focus - BEST option 22/31
    Fusion - BEST option 21/29
    (Saturn)Astra (2008) - BEST option 24/32

    Here's a list of crash test ratings from a forum I Frequent.

    (sold on the North American market)
    Audi A3 ****
    BMW Mini *****
    Chevrolet Aveo **
    Ford Focus ****
    Honda Fit ****
    Honda Civic ****
    Kia Rio ****
    Mazda 3 ****
    Suzuki SX4 ****
    Toyota Yaris *****
    Volkswagen Golf *****

    (not sold in North America)
    Audi A2 ****
    Citroen C3 ****
    Citroen C4 *****
    Dacia Logan ***
    Fiat 500 *****
    Fiat Gr. Punto *****
    Ford Fiesta ****
    Kia cee'd *****
    Mazda 2 *****
    Ford Ka ***
    Mercedes A-cl. *****
    Mitsubishi Colt ****
    Nissan Micra ****
    Nissan Note ****
    Opel Corsa *****
    Peugeot 207 *****
    Peugeot 308 *****
    Renault Clio *****
    Renault Scenic *****
    Renault Megane *****
    Suzuki Swift ****
    Volkswagen Polo ****

    And whether you chose to believe in physics matters about as much as whether you chose to believe you have a million dollars. If something is tested reliably multiple times without major incident, it is said to be more reliable than something that can't meet those standards.

    Gasoline is a fine fuel and has great energy density. We just throw it away and don't have an infrastructure built around efficiency and public transportation/small vehicles.