Shifter Kit

Discussion in '2-Stroke Engines' started by Canon, Feb 10, 2010.

  1. Canon

    Canon New Member

    Seems like a lot of you guys use these, wheres the best place to get them and as far as bang for your buck are they worth it? I'm in college and the only income I'm getting is from a part time job but I love the idea of increased speeds and efficiency. Also in comparison to the installing of the motor kit, how difficult is it to install a shifter kit?
     

  2. You can get one at Sickbikeparts.
     
  3. EnFlaMEd

    EnFlaMEd Member

    Bang for buck, definitely.
    Source from Sick Bike Parts
    Install: Personally mine was easy but it took me ages and ages to get it setup right and I had to modify a couple of things. I'm sure if I built another though I would get it right first time now that I have had the experience.
     
  4. AussieSteve

    AussieSteve Active Member

    I've had mine running for a few days now and can't say a bad word.
    And I'll never go without gears again.
    With derailleur, (derailler), gears, a good wide ratio spread helps. Shimano MegaRange etc, I've learned.
    For my purpose, I'm also buying a couple of alternate sprockets, to make pedal-starting easier.
    There's a thread in 'Frame-Mounted Drive Trains' with a few ratios and speeds:- SBP Shift Kit - Ratios, Speeds and Pedal-Starting. I've done a few calculations there that might help you decide, but they're only for a 14-28 6-speed.

    I'm still getting over that initial buzz of changing gears.

    ... Steve
     
  5. EnFlaMEd

    EnFlaMEd Member

    With time steve you will be able to shift at near full throttle. Up and down. I love it! I just wish my MB had a even more grunt!
     
    Last edited: Feb 11, 2010
  6. AussieSteve

    AussieSteve Active Member

    Hello André. Yeah, I'll second that - I love it too. I can already shift up OK at higher revs, but have been extra-cautious about rolling the throttle off, changing, then rolling it back on, to get the feel of things.
    In reality, there's not much need to roll it off too slowly, as long as it's not opened up again too quickly. I've been taking note of the slight take-up when the pressure starts to go back on the rear freewheel cassette. You can feel when it has engaged properly.
    As you say, a bit of practice.
    I need to get used to selecting the right gear as I slow down, too, since you can't feel it with a freewheel and want to be in the right gear when you accelerate again. Getting better at that.
    I'm finding that part of the fun is learning the technique, and I always did like clutchless changes on dirt bikes.

    ... Steve
     
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  7. Pablo

    Pablo Motored Bikes Sponsor

    I think most people find grip (type) shifters to be the most natural feel for shifting, personally I'm not a thumby guy. Not advising full throttle shifts......but with a little practice, you can slam through the gears very rapidly. Did I say FUN??

    Anyways - thanks fellas! Jim and I are still amazed. Just when we think we have the whole stock keeping, JIT, never on backorder thing all figured out, something takes off. We order HD FW's 100 at a time......in very short cycles.....I think White has other priorities (like their "normal" products!)
     
  8. AussieSteve

    AussieSteve Active Member

    I agree, Paul. My electric bike has a 6-speed grip shift on the LHS and I'd never go back to another type.
    I already have one ordered for my MB, due any time.
    I rode a Lambretta motor-scooter years ago when I was a kid that had a LHS grip-shift, 3-speed from memory. It also had a side-car. Great fun.

    Another point on the shift kit - I've noticed that I can actually relax finally and not be constantly concerned about that dangerous stock tensioner/sprocket/rag-joint setup, in terms of the LHS chain derailing or the tensioner pivoting inwards, into the spokes.
    On a ride, that was my single biggest concern before, with good reason.
    Not any more, and no need for the fancy tensioner that I had planned.
    Peace of mind.

    ... Steve
     
    Last edited: Feb 12, 2010
  9. Canon

    Canon New Member

    I'll start cutting back on some things to save the money for one of these things, there are 3 kits ranging from standard to premium is the premium a must or could I get away with standard?
     
  10. Ghost0

    Ghost0 Guest

    Here is the simple answer on the differences between the 3 versions of the kit. All of the kits have the same basic parts except for the following.

    Standard kit differences
    standard freewheel, we do not recommend this on anything larger than a 49cc engine.
    standard 3 piece bottom bracket spindle

    HD Kit differences
    HD freewheel
    cartridge bottom bracket

    Deluxe HD Kit differences
    HD freewheel
    cartridge bottom bracket
    additional output sprocket to change gear ratios
    dual pull brake lever
    chain breaker
    crank removal tool
     
  11. AussieSteve

    AussieSteve Active Member

    I bought the Heavy Duty kit, but wished I'd bought the deluxe version, when it came to the included chain breaker and crank puller.
    First I bought a crank puller off eBay, which didn't even last long enough to remove the first crank. I then had to buy a Shimano one locally for $60AU.
    It wasn't so hard getting a chain breaker/joiner here, but for simplicity, I should have got it with the kit.
    The end result was that I paid more than if I'd bought the deluxe kit.
    The only other specialised tool needed for assembly is the spline-type bottom bracket cartridge tool. I recommend that you buy one of these too, when you order, unless you can borrow one. (Only $6)

    ... Steve
     
  12. Pablo

    Pablo Motored Bikes Sponsor

    For sure people say that quite often. Some chunk of folks already have the tools already.

    Beat dog. Going out for a pint.
     
  13. EnFlaMEd

    EnFlaMEd Member

    Canon: FYI I am still using the standard freewheel after 1600kms of riding with a mildly modified 66cc.
     
  14. Aussieben

    Aussieben New Member


    Lucky you, Ive just ordered my 3rd HD freewheel and Ive only got 49cc.
    I must be the unluckiest guy in the world with these freewheels.
    Im just about to put my new 66cc motor on as the old 49cc has done about 4000ks+. I got my new motor in the mail today and it had a broken ring from factory.
    Maybe I should just stick to the bus! Ha Ha.
     
  15. EnFlaMEd

    EnFlaMEd Member

    Haha **** that is unlucky! Do you use the SBP freewheel oil with your freewheels? I have been using it with mine. Perhaps the secret to its longetivity.
     
  16. AussieSteve

    AussieSteve Active Member

    I forgot to order freewheel oil with mine, but it's on the list for my next order in a couple of weeks.
    Can't wait to get the new gearing organised, (the 'MegaRange' cluster is due on Wednesday, then I'll get the 11T and 30T from SBP in a couple of weeks), but in the meantime I got a few good rides in today.
    Haven't had so much fun in ages.
    I'm used to gear shifting now and can get through them without any snaps or strain on anything.
    I like the close ratios more now, too. For normal riding, only double-shifts are needed, or to pick up speed a bit more quickly, the close ratios help stay in the power-band.

    You know, I could get used to this thing. Not sure if I'll be riding the electric quite as much in future.

    ... Steve
     
    Last edited: Feb 15, 2010
  17. EnFlaMEd

    EnFlaMEd Member

    Yeah they are awesome once you get the hang of them. I can actually hold on a little bit of throttle when decelerating now and still get some engine braking effect. I usually go through all off the gears just because of where I live but when I am down in the suburbs on flat road I like to change two gears at a time.
     
  18. Fabian

    Fabian Well-Known Member

    That's amazing you've had so many problems with your heavy duty freewheel.

    I've traveled almost 4,500 kilometers (2800 miles) and i've never oiled my freewheel, ok, the thing always seems to be covered in filthy 2-stroke oil leaking out the bottom of the crankcase, so maybe that helps to explain things.
    When replacing the chainwheel cogs (approx 600 kilometers ago), i checked it over and the freewheel still feels perfect.

    Steve, you must be unlucky.

    Fabian

    ps, i've been hammering long and hard, giving my advise to anyone who will listen, to just get the Deluxe Shift Kit, only because SickBikeparts refuses to sell the Platinum Edition, Super Heavy Duty, Titanium Shift Kit

    The deluxe version on it's own is worth the extra money!
     
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2010
  19. AussieSteve

    AussieSteve Active Member

    Fabian, it was Ben, (Aussieben), with those problems, not me.

    Got my Shimano 'Super Low' 'MegaRange' cluster today. Just getting it organised and trying to work out if I need a new derailleur to suit.

    ... Steve
     
  20. Fabian

    Fabian Well-Known Member

    Sorry Steve, mucked it up.
    Still, Ben must just be unlucky.

    Cheers Fabian
     
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