24" Green NE5

Discussion in 'Whizzer Motorized Bicycles' started by Egor, Aug 9, 2008.

  1. Egor

    Egor Guest

    A friend of mine is getting rid of his NE5 with only 85 mi. on it. He now wants a Honda Ruckus. We called the shop that we got it at Muldons in Carson and he is selling the new ones he has for 1,800. This one was 16, my friend wants 1,450, I am thinking of getting it but to do so I need to sell some of my happy bikes. I have worked on this bike a few times and I am not overly impressed with the quality. I have worked on the original ones and they always work, these bikes have a lot of china looking parts on them. I can make it work well and I like the way it handles but I will do what I can to make look more original. I will keep you posted. Have fun, Dave
     

  2. Egor

    Egor Guest

    This is a pic of the bike and my friends, Rob is sitting on the bike. I talked to him today and it looks like we worked out a deal. That is my Happy time bike. Pauls blue one through my Happy. Have fun, Dave
     

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  3. KilroyCD

    KilroyCD Active Member

    Dave, first of all, that's a really nice HT-powered Schwinn you have there. Nice job! The modern Whizzers are made in Taiwan, so you will see a number of the "China looking" parts on them. Like your plans, I've been backdating mine as time goes on to help make it look more vintage. I have changed the saddle, handlebars, tank graphics, installed round mirrors and more. Mine has chrome fender tips, and I painted the fenders antique white (the frame is black) to give it a more retro look too.
    Welcome to the Whizzer fraternity!
     
  4. JE

    JE Guest

    Here is my NE5 I've been back dating.Kilroy did you put a Chrome rear tip on you're bike.I'd like to see them if you did.I'm thinking about doing that to my bike.
     

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  5. KilroyCD

    KilroyCD Active Member

    Yes, I have the chrome tips on both fenders, but I was fortunate in that the bike already had these when I bought it. I don't see them listed in Whizzer's online catalog anymore, but I'll bet one or more of our Whizzer dealers might have them. Here are some photos.
     

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  6. ren

    ren Guest

    Hi Egor, are the handle bars on the green Whizzer factory? If not what are they and where did they come from? Thinking about changing mine.

    Thanks
     
  7. Egor

    Egor Guest

    Ren, Yes they are just stock. I think Rob just has them turned down a little. The bars I like the most are the ones on my ELectra, its just a pedal bike but they are the best looking, and feel. Have fun Dave.

    This is a list of the don't likes about the bike. 1) the paint scheme, no standard striping. 2) center stand, holds bike too high, flimsy. 3) fork angle too steep, needs to angle out more. 4) junkie look under the tank, Ill clean that up. 5) black cheep rims, and cheep whitewall tires. 6) black seat, cheep looking. Ill cover it in brown leather. 7) the cheep looking cover for the belts, find an original. 8) the belts, always slipping. 9) Handlebars, I don't like the look and feel. 10) the squeaking rear brake, poor design, don't know how to fix. That got long!
     
  8. KilroyCD

    KilroyCD Active Member

    I can address some of your dislikes. I too didn't like the handlebars and swapped them out for a set of 28" half-moon bars. The mess of wiring under the tank is sheathed in a wrap of friction tape on mine (tidys it up and keeps the vintage look). You must have different whitewall tires, as mine are nice, with the prewar style Goodyear tread. You can replace the fork with one of the Schwinn "knee-action" springers or one of the chrome aftermarket ones (not as strong as the Schwinn). The forward rake will be better with this type of fork. Replace the belts with Gates belts, and you'll have better luck. You can replace the center stand with a rear drop stand from Memory Lane Classics ( www.memorylane-classics.com ). They should also have the original Whizzer belt guard. I ditched the Whizzer seat for a classic springer crashrail model from BikeWorldUSA (although Memory Lane also carries this). PM me if you want more detailed info about any of these. Here's a photo that shows the handlebars and seat.
     

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  9. JE

    JE Guest

    Yea I've got the electra bars on mine.I love the look and feel of them.
     
  10. Egor

    Egor Guest

    Well I got the bike yesterday, and took it out for a ride today. I like the bike a lot, I like the sound the most. All the little clicking sounds make it sound old, just like the original. I don't know what to do about the drive mechanism from the 40's it needs to go. The bike looks some like the original but it is a new remake of the old, so I am not apposed to changing the drive completely. I have no idea where they got the brake in the rear, all it does is make noise. This bike has a larger header pipe than the others, looks OK. I like the Green color of the bike I think I would have chose the same color if I were the first owner. I am thinking about putting some stripes, and trim at the front and rear of the fenders. Have fun, Dave
     
  11. Egor

    Egor Guest

    Well I have been working on the bike every ride. I now have the ignition moved ahead and the cam one tooth ahead, the engine runs like a clock and pulls like a Donkey. Now what to do with the drive and the brake. I am still working on a fix and don't have the solution yet everything I have tried so far has only made a little difference. It might be that I will have to change the drive completely, IE ditch the belt thing. Cog belts! We will see. Have fun, Dave

    PS: The brake I saw on the o8 model they have a larger, wider brake similar to the one on this bike.
     
  12. NEWPORTWHIZZER

    NEWPORTWHIZZER New Member

    Hi Egor,

    Con graduations on the new ride. The later band brakes seemed to be one of the weak links I had a few of them that were squealers and did not stop well. Whizzer has since then replaced them with an expanding shoe brake like the front and they are quiet and stop significantly better. Also they replaced the rear brake cable with on that does not stretch as much. These upgrades will bolt straight onto your bike with little effort.


    Ryan
    Newport Beach Whizzer
     
  13. Egor

    Egor Guest

    I am going to try and lengthen the arms on the brake mechanism and see if I can increase the leverage. I am going to put a bead of silicone rubber on the inside of the rear drum and see if that will stop the squealing, you know like a crack in the bell as it were. The belts have been behaving lately so I will leave it alone for now. I made a new seat post that puts the seat back about 4", I like that it made a world of difference. Now I have to figure out why the front forks are not gliding correctly, they stick. Honda had a few of there bikes that this happened years ago but we just replaced them on warranty these things have none. Oh well have fun, Dave
     
  14. NEWPORTWHIZZER

    NEWPORTWHIZZER New Member

    Hi

    before the new brake I tried everything to get those to quit squealing I even put dynamat (their demo has a quarter size piece of this stuff on a bell and all the bell does when you ring it is thud) inside of the drum with no help. The other problem is if you extend the arm it is just going to get the brake very hot and spit the lining out the side of the drum. We experimented with lower strech cables and after 3 hard stops the brake would melt. We also tried groving the drum in different directions with no luck either. The best solution is the new expanding drum brake. They are quiet and stop significantly better it will feel like a new bike.

    Ryan
    Newport Whizzer
     
  15. Egor

    Egor Guest

    Wow Thanks that is about the best ID of trying to solve a problem I have seen. OK I don't have to go down that road. If I can ask here, what is the cost of that brake? Looks like it could be used on the Happy Time bikes also. Thanks again.
     
  16. Egor

    Egor Guest

    Took the Whizzer out today and rode around the Queen Mary. The sound is the thing that I like the most and the little clicking sounds that it makes it is like a song. I am getting used to this thing, I have most of the mods done now, I just need to get the mushroom lifters done. I still have the tack to install, it is a mess of wires to do. The belts have been doing OK so I will leave that alone for now. Have fun, Dave
     
  17. Egor

    Egor Guest

    I took the head off today to see how big the combustion chamber is. Look at the size of that area, I wonder what the comp ratio is 5.5. I will have to take it over and see about carving it down. The valve timing is dead center with the cam moved ahead, so with the marks aligned it is one tooth slow, I thought slow one tooth was better! I would think the valves could be larger too I was surprised to see them so small. And a composite head gasket that paper thing will blow out with any compression, oh well. Have fun, Dave

    PS: Notice all the oil the intake is pulling up the guide.
     

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  18. Quenton Guenther

    Quenton Guenther Motored Bikes Sponsor

    Hi Egor,
    The head gasket is steel and can't be used again without problems. You need to aquire a copper head gasket, but the copper gasket is twice as thick. You can remove .060" to .070" from the head without any problems, subtract .010" for the thicker gasket. In other words if you remove .070" and use the copper gasket the new difference is .060" from original. You might also want to smooth out the combustion chamber because as you can see it looks like someone didn't understand how it works. Remove any sharp angles around the valve pocket, and take a little from the area around the intake valve pocket to make it as smooth as possible. Be sure the sparkplug doesn't hit the exhaust valve after the head is milled. You can use extra plug washers or copper washers to space the plug away from the valve. The camshaft works best if advanced one tooth [turn camshaft one tooth counter clockwise].

    Have fun,
    Quenton
     
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  19. Egor

    Egor Guest

    I am surprised to see that there is no check valve in the breather like a B&S. It has a filter at the end of the hose and I think it is adding to the back pressure in the crankcase, and driving the oil up the valve guide. I have never seen an engine with 300 mi. with that much oil fouling. The head gasket on this one is some type of composite material, its crispy. we used to slow the cam down on our Hot Rod B&S, it holds the intake open longer, closes the exhaust a little late, but the engine overall runs better and will spin higher. In the 70's the auto makers moved the cam ahead to meet smog laws, but gave away the performance of the engine in doing so. On some of them we just pulled the cover off and put the cam in the proper place and they ran like the year before. Have fun, Dave
     
  20. Quenton Guenther

    Quenton Guenther Motored Bikes Sponsor

    Hi Egor,
    I designed a special oil breather system several years ago, and built one special for my 2008 Ambassador, because it could pump almost 5 oz. of oil in only 15 miles. My breather design is very easy to build, and many have made them and stopped the oil flow completely. It isn't the little filter at the end of the breather hose that causes the problem, but several other design errors in the system. First off the NE motors have a large hole [.475"] at the base of the cylinder allowing the rod dasher [oil slinger] to throw the oil straight into the lifter chamber. The chamber starts filling up with oil at higher RPMs then the pressure pushes the oil into the breather hose, when the hose fills up with oil it can't vent the crankcase, and just starts pushing the oil out like you own an oil well. The solution is very simple, just vent the hose into a larger chamber [pressure drops] filled with metal mesh type material [like a pot scrubber without soap], and install a PCV valve [installed to have the valve closed when not running]. Use a 1" O.D. pipe X 4" long. Install hose at bottom, PVC at the top, problem solved.

    If you want pictures of the breather system, just email me at quincy163@yahoo.com and request them.

    Have fun,
    Quenton
     
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